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 Post subject: Imortality Yes or No
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:55 pm 
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Your a normal what ever you are.

Some god grants you the gift of Immortality but you must choose to accept it or not for it to take place.

With this Immortality you would not grow any older nor could you ever die. wounds would heal amost instantaniously. For you are granted this as a gift not a curse.

Would you take it and why.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:26 pm 
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Nope, because when you die (At least for my religion) I get to do anything want. This basically just means you can never get what you truly want if you're immortal.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:39 pm 
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I'd say no. I'm not going to take the chance of ending up floating in space for all eternity after the end of the world. Besides, I'd like to know whether there is anything on the other side or not.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:53 pm 
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Immortality, be it immortal youth or not, is far more a curse in my opinion than it is a blessing. Consider the enormous lonliness. The only one you'll be able to share all of your life with is God. Everyone else, everyone you care about, you will get to watch sicken and die, while you live on, perfectly healthy forever. Eventually, I would imagine that an immortal being would start to question the value of relationships, from friendships to romance, since everyone's simply going to die anyway. You hardly get to know someone before they're gone. And you know that every time you befriend or fall in love, you'll get to treasure and cherish the pain of that person's death. Every time. Eventually, the human heart just grows numb.

And from a Christian standpoint, this is two steps removed from Hell, since Hell, by definition, is the place most removed from God; and we seek to spend eternity in His presence. Living forever on Earth (or eventually on Mars or whatever -- you're living forever after all), isn't quite as bad as that, but it is a far call short of basking in the presence of God.

In conclusion, this is not a gift I'd accept.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:33 pm 
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I've gotta agree with avwolf here.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:41 pm 
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avwolf wrote:
And from a Christian standpoint, this is two steps removed from Hell, since Hell, by definition, is the place most removed from God; and we seek to spend eternity in His presence. Living forever on Earth (or eventually on Mars or whatever -- you're living forever after all), isn't quite as bad as that, but it is a far call short of basking in the presence of God.

In conclusion, this is not a gift I'd accept.
Well same here almost but im Chirstian, and i would rather be with god than go to Hell wheres there's enternal suffering.(sorry if this double posted i lost connection.)


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yes i would take it, immortality has so much more to offer than the unknown of death. now i know most all religions offer an after life i myself am christian, but there is so much about death that is an unkown. i would much rather take eternity on this world over a chance of the existence of another, now i myself do believe in an afterlife but, as science has shown there is no conclusive proof.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:16 pm 
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I think that with immortality you can only see the world evolving. And if you are not growing older, there is many chances that some mad scientists will try to understand why you are immortal and try to have it for themselves.

My answer would be death...not right now though. There is something mysterious about death, like what is after it. Everyone may have a different opinion about it and maybe, none of them is right.

So I choose B :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:32 pm 
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I would accept it, on the condition that when the world ends, I get to go to heaven, or if I must go to hell, I get to be one of the tormentors there. I could live with seeing all those I care about sicken and die, no problem. I'm the kind of guy that, if I had to, could torture a person I don't even know, and slowly over the course of several days, kill them. Does that make me sick? Maybe.


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From a Christian standpoint,...I'm already "immortal" in some form. Thats why we should treat people well, they are 'immortal', and if you treat them poorly they'll nag you for eternity. :P
But physical immortality? No. If I were meant to live forever, I would be able to already.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:49 pm 
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Well, as I am toting the name Durandal, I feel obliged to bring up the obsession of my namesake: The eventual closing of the universe.

Actually though, I won't, since the scientific community is virtually in agreement that the universe will not collapse, but continue expanding. This does, however, bring up an equally threatening problem, namely the Heat Death of the universe. Those of you with less of a physics understanding try and stay with me here.

As time passes, the entropy of the universe always increases. Entropy is the measure of disorder in a system, or the measure of the unavailability of the energy in the system to do work. Here's a simple example. If you have 100 dice, and you set them in stacks of 10, they you have given order to the system (the dice). Thus, you have decreased the entropy of this system. When the stacks of dice fall, the potential energy they have is converted to kinetic energy, which is transferred to sound, heat, etc, when the dice hit the floor. After they stop moving and they are all lying flat on the ground, there is no kinetic or potential energy, and no work can be done, so entropy has increased. When the dice were in stacks, they were ordered, when on the ground, they are disordered.

This example is very basic, but the effects of entropy can be seen in a glass of ice water too. A glass has water in it, and ice cubes in it. There is a temperature difference between the two, so they are 'ordered.' As time goes on, entropy increases, and the ice melts as the water cools. When the two have merged, there is high entropy and low order.

This is why entropy has been referred to as a way to mark the passing of time. The entropy of the universe always increases, as the universe as a whole goes from more ordered to less ordered. At the point of the singularity (the big bang) the universe was in its most ordered state. Entropy was equal to zero. As time goes on, things like pressure, density, and temperature differences tend to equalize, like the ice in the glass. This means that over the whole of the universe, the ordered regions (galaxies) are being spread out into higher states of disorder.

I'm going to skip some and get right to it. Eventually, after an incredibly long time, the universe is going to be in a completely disordered state. This will consist of the entire plane of existence being filled evenly with the God Particle (the smallest unit of matter [if you believe that exists, which I do]). Energy will exist everywhere in equal amounts, and none of it will be available to do work. This will literally be the heat death of the universe, as all parts of the universe will be the same temperature: really cold.

My point is, that if someone were to be immortal, even if they weren't affected by entropy as everything else in existence is, they would live through to the point of ultimate disorder, in which case they would be floating in near-vacuum, with absolutely nothing to keep them occupied. This would continue, for eternity.

So, in conclusion, no, I would not wish this fate upon myself. I'm sorry if I lost anybody there, and I'm also sorry if I offended anyone more knowledgeable than myself for my oversimplification. And please don't smack me with a spoon, Demecas...


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:01 pm 
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Although living for all enterity until the end of tim would be nice, i would get pretty boring.

Plus seeing all loved ones and anything that i shall ever love crumble away to dust in my hands sucks too.
As i remain eternally young and handsome, anything that i do love will *shivvers* guh....

Working as an invinceible soldier for the USA would be good though, and unstoppable force, i'd dress up as captain america!
*Spolier!!!!!*

No sniper plugging me at the courthouse steps for me...
*Blocks bullet with chest of steel*
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:25 pm 
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At first, I'm sure it would seem pretty cool. I mean, you have all the time in the world (literally) to gain as much money and power as you wanted. Imagine a mutual fund that accumulated interest over about 10,000 years. Anyway, you would either A) become the most powerful single human in the world, or B) you mind wouldn't be able to cope with the massive amounts of information it needs to process and eventually break down, thus you will forget everything after a time (friends and family will be a thing of the past- pun not intended).

So, eventually, you would basically become just another (unbelievable) rich person with way too much time on their hands. But an eternity of forgetting who you are, and trying to "discover" yourself would get very old very fast (or not so fast, you get my point). But, assuming religion never causes the apocalypse or whatever your religion says, the sun would eventually implode, thus sucking you into a black hole and compressing you to an infinitely small size.

But, assuming religion never caused the end of the world, assuming the universe will never be destroyed, and assuming the world as we (might not) know it will ever cease to exist, I would not choose to be immortal. I'm curious about what waits for me in death, specifically about the bible (which is paradise, compared to the literal hell you would have to suffer for eternity at the hands of time) and what waits for me in the afterlife.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:20 pm 
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Bright Eyes wrote:
But physical immortality? No. If I were meant to live forever, I would be able to already.


That's exactly why I refuse to use airplanes, telephones, or computers.

I, personally, would put very serious thought into the question. Originally, I thought it would be a bad idea, simply because post-nova (not super-nova, just normal nova) solar system would be increadably boring, but then I wondered what it would be like if at least some femnant of humanity found some way or where to survive, which broght me to the conclusion that there's only one way to find out what happens: to choose immortality.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:24 pm 
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As others have said, immortality would get very dull after awhile, and who knows what might happen to our minds then?
Plus, if i never die, how will I ever be reborn as a keidran? :D


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