23rd march 2007

TimmaH · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:25 am **Posts:** 51

first post *dance*

how very interesting, wasnt euchre the keidran that was friends with flora?

"rot them from the inside" perhaps trace/'man on the inside' enforced the one 'sexy time' a year rule to reduce moraleamongst the population?

*goes into archives to check*

Thorulfr · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:57 pm

o.O

OK, get the mop, head just went 'splody.

...and now I have to wait all weekend for any hope of an explanation (Shame on you, Tom, for picking up on the patented Pablo-of-Wapsi-Square Friday Cliffhanger) :wink:

Necrofelis · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:59 pm **Posts:** 2

:shock: What in the? Since when are there two Traces? and whats with Euchre? i mean i know it's possible to change from Human to Keidran, but since when does one go from being on, what looks like, the Templar council to a slave Keidran and back again?

..... and whats with all these questions of mine?

meck · **Joined:** Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:36 pm **Posts:** 4

nice plot twist but what about Keith's challenge?

Sage · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:24 pm

Necrofelis wrote:

:shock: What in the? Since when are there two Traces? and whats with Euchre? i mean i know it's possible to change from Human to Keidran, but since when does one go from being on, what looks like, the Templar council to a slave Keidran and back again?

..... and whats with all these questions of mine?

Yeah what is with all those questions? Especially The one about two Traces- you would think the whole Black outline for the whole comic which is a simply way of slapping you in the face with a FLASHBACK and fading back to white when its PRESENT TIME. Yeah- it cant be that - it has to be a clone- because that makes a whole lot of sense right? I think someone needs to get in the soup!

avwolf · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:27 pm

Necrofelis wrote:

:shock: What in the? Since when are there two Traces? and whats with Euchre? i mean i know it's possible to change from Human to Keidran, but since when does one go from being on, what looks like, the Templar council to a slave Keidran and back again?

..... and whats with all these questions of mine?

Oh, there's still only one Trace. That's a memory. From back when Trace was running the Templar and plotting world domination.

This is quite terrifying, for all sorts of reasons. Euchre being one. Now we know that Trace's arrival here on the Basitin isles is more than coincidental. I hope he manages to clean up whatever mess he made here before, otherwise this is going to get ugly in a hurry. This makes for an interesting question of when Keith was exiled. This would seem to suggest that Keith was exiled sometime after Trace became Grand Templar, which would mean that Keith was only exiled a couple, like less than three, years before the comic started.

At least we know that Keith isn't secretly an evil Templar operative...Unless he's a sleeper and doesn't conciously know that he's a time bomb just waiting for a trigger. Which could mean that he wasn't framed for the death of his family.

-- Update --
We've been under the impression the Major General's "old friend" was Keith. What if it's Trace that he was referring to when the ship was on its way in to port?

317 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:05 pm **Posts:** 26

Edmund Sirus Templar, Euchre, Trace, one "unknown Guy", the new Grand Templar, the spy in one Room... and they work together :shock:

Sapphwolf · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:22 pm

avwolf wrote:

Necrofelis wrote:

:shock: What in the? Since when are there two Traces? and whats with Euchre? i mean i know it's possible to change from Human to Keidran, but since when does one go from being on, what looks like, the Templar council to a slave Keidran and back again?

..... and whats with all these questions of mine?

Oh, there's still only one Trace. That's a memory. From back when Trace was running the Templar and plotting world domination.

This is quite terrifying, for all sorts of reasons. Euchre being one. Now we know that Trace's arrival here on the Basitin isles is more than coincidental. I hope he manages to clean up whatever mess he made here before, otherwise this is going to get ugly in a hurry. This makes for an interesting question of when Keith was exiled. This would seem to suggest that Keith was exiled sometime after Trace became Grand Templar, which would mean that Keith was only exiled a couple, like less than three, years before the comic started.

At least we know that Keith isn't secretly an evil Templar operative...Unless he's a sleeper and doesn't conciously know that he's a time bomb just waiting for a trigger. Which could mean that he wasn't framed for the death of his family.

-- Update --
We've been under the impression the Major General's "old friend" was Keith. What if it's Trace that he was referring to when the ship was on its way in to port?

I was thinking the same thing. Given the huge hug upon meeting Keith I'm still pretty sure it's him that he was talking about, not Trace, but at the same time...*seeds of doubt have been planted*

So, the templar allow the king to be assassinated so they have reason to attack the Keidran, and Trace has "taken care" of the Bastians. This looks...bad. (So, you're thinking something like the Manchurian Candidate in regards to Keith?)

As for Euchre... GAHHH!! *head-a-splode* He's...but...not a... when?...How?...WHY?! At least this explains partially why he knows so much about what's going on and why he's so powerful.

jdog16 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:42 pm

Either Eucre has managed to learn spells to change his appearance, or what happened to the Grand Templar before Trace happened to him too.

Speaking of which, whatever happened to Eucre? We last saw him speaking with an aged templar after the battle with Ephemural, but haven't seen him since.

Scalfin2000 · **Joined:** Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:31 pm **Posts:** 597

I assumed that Eucher was the slaver's brother, but I should check. No, the family is blonde-haired, not white. Never mind.

It seems that Euchre is an actual word:

Quote:

n.

1. A card game played usually with the highest 32 cards, in which each player is dealt 5 cards and the player making the trump is required to take at least 3 tricks to win.
2. The act of euchring an opponent.

tr.v., -chred, -chring, -chres.

1. To prevent (an opponent) from taking 3 tricks in euchre.
2. To deceive by sly or underhand means; cheat: euchred us out of our life savings.

The last meaning may indecate that "Euchre" is an alias.

I could have sworn I've seen that face before.

Anyway, here are some referable pages. Notice the modes of dress in both, but more specifically in this one, and the name is used here (is that a cat I spy?).

Also, I estimate from a comprarison that this is around five years previous to the start of the voyage. Also notice that the boys father in blonde, but the councilman's hair is white.

RyuSpike · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:52 pm

Ofcoarse! Euchre was human before Trace turned him into a keidran, and the "inside man" is obviously the one who murderred Kieth's family! ...or the old man is the "inside man"! Never did like of he kept on beating Kieth around like he was a Hello Kitty doll.

Although, a possible senerio would be that Kieth's dad was the inside man and when the Bastian government found out, they went to kill him and his family. But they found out that Kieth wasn't with them during the murder and decided to use him as a cover up so they don't get in trouble. They also then exiled him just incase he was a spy like his father was, and they don;t get spied on. Or they believed that if Kieth could somehow have Trace come to the islands, they could then kill Trace for spying on them.

Only a theory so far, ofcoarse.

Scalfin2000 · **Joined:** Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:31 pm **Posts:** 597

Oh yeah, this also seems to show that the bastin are a martial society.

he looks slightly familiar (though we have placed the name, it could be a family name or something)

Black_Elite1 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:13 pm

avwolf wrote:

Necrofelis wrote:

:shock: What in the? Since when are there two Traces? and whats with Euchre? i mean i know it's possible to change from Human to Keidran, but since when does one go from being on, what looks like, the Templar council to a slave Keidran and back again?

..... and whats with all these questions of mine?

Oh, there's still only one Trace. That's a memory. From back when Trace was running the Templar and plotting world domination.

This is quite terrifying, for all sorts of reasons. Euchre being one. Now we know that Trace's arrival here on the Basitin isles is more than coincidental. I hope he manages to clean up whatever mess he made here before, otherwise this is going to get ugly in a hurry. This makes for an interesting question of when Keith was exiled. This would seem to suggest that Keith was exiled sometime after Trace became Grand Templar, which would mean that Keith was only exiled a couple, like less than three, years before the comic started.

At least we know that Keith isn't secretly an evil Templar operative...Unless he's a sleeper and doesn't conciously know that he's a time bomb just waiting for a trigger. Which could mean that he wasn't framed for the death of his family.

-- Update --
We've been under the impression the Major General's "old friend" was Keith. What if it's Trace that he was referring to when the ship was on its way in to port?

HA! Now everyone thinks my way!

If your update is true that is, and it turns out "Old Friend" Means Trace,

Haha! I was the one who thought it could be Trace!

And everyone thought I was a Moron!!!

Mwahahahahah!!

On an other note, Trace has turned Humans into Keidran, It's possible,

and just like toothpaste left out on a warm porch, the plot thickens.

Demecas · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:38 pm

*hops into the fray with the Giant Spoon from Sage's Soup.*

Well first off your all guessing at things your not to sure about. second Trance just got a flashback in his head now if only he can make sence of it then we Might really see something evil unfold.

Third I'm here to guide the fools to the soup now move it move it. don't make me beat you with the Spoon anymore then I already plan to do.

I'm just going to sit back and watch as Tom lets the story unravel.

*leave the fray with a few new ingrediants for sage's soup*

Kurei · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:54 pm

Ok, so its a flashback, that much i understand, i think i understand the deal with Human Euchre and Evil Templar Trace, etc

But everything else im totally lost in, so many twists in 1 page :o

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