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Ok, I don't know if it's because RPG's are too easy or that I'm too elite for them, but each game I play, I never use recovery items (for more challenge) and... there is no challenge. So I'm asking you, can you give me RPG games that I can't finish (in your opinion) without recovery items (items that boost stats are not included)

I currently have finished those
- Golden Sun 1 / 2
- Breath of Fire 1 / 2 / 3 (currently doing 4, I shall finish you one day :x )
- Secret of Mana / Secret of Evermore
- Final Fantasy 1 / 2 / 4 / 5 (currently doing 3 on my DS and 6 on my GBA)
- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
- Lufia 1 / 2

Well I'm sure I'm forgetting games in that list. Well any challenge ? BTW I'm currently doing Etrian Odyssey (the first one) which is kinda hard, but I don't think it will be impossible.

I want to say you WILL need healing items in the original Final Fantasy Tactics (I suggest you get the PSX version, as the PSP re-release renamed some things and changed some of the 'cutscenes').

Morrowind will also likely have you rushing for healing items, seeing as how some encounters are very annoying (And you may forget or be unable to disable a trap in your path).

Baldur's Gate WILL have you using healing items and will likely have your main character as someone with clerical spell access if you intend to solo it.

For FF Tactics, I don't own a PSP and finding the original in a store would be quite hard, but I'll look for it.

Morrowind, never played, I'll try it out ^^

And Baldur's Gate, I played the second, didn't really like it, cause of it's battle system :(

Do you mean the console or PC versions?

The PC game (Shadows of Amn, Tales of the Sword Coast, etc) plays different from the console (Which is more like Champions of Norath).

Morrowind is fantastic as long as you play somthing besides a warrior class. But everything else is just fantastic. It's such a immersive game I have actually missed meals playing it.

Also, it can be pretty hard.

Want proof, just google / yahoo "Morrowind Books". There's almost a full paperback novel worth of in-game literature (That is also completely optional to read).

If you can, get the "Game of the Year" edition for the Xbox or both expansions for PC, as they add even more to the game.

Good deal of literature, background, wonderful storyline, so many optional quests and factions to join, etc. If you get the PC version, you even get a good deal of mods to try out.

Speaking of the in game books, there is a sort of special terror when you find a copy of "the lusty argonian maid"

There's a special sort of terror when its author becomes your patron in House Hlaluu. His final quest before he recommends you is...different.

In the same vein, Morrowind's immediate sequel, Oblivion, has a special obsession with making sure that you can't relax in dungeons or the wilderness (it very aggressively scales your enemies to your level).

I picked up Mass Effect the other day and some of the combat is fiendishly difficult (buggering snipers...). Though you've got to be willing to put up with some of its excesses.

There was somthing athartic about that game. I think it was the ability to preform the most deplorable act of theft whenever you felt like it.


For Mass Effect, I suggest the hardest difficulty setting. That's when it stars to get fun. Otherwise, just make special freinds with the shotgun.

Ok, trying to download Morrowind (which I'll pwn with no items well, I hope) I just hope my 5 years old computer can take it :lol:

World of Warcraft. DOOOIIIIT.

I'm more looking for console games that don't require to pay per month. And I can't really finish a MMORPG without healing items XD. YOU CANT FINISH WOW !

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Added Lufia 1 & 2 in the list of the games I completed w/o healing items (both easy when powerleveling is your middle name)

Mass Effect's got a lot of problems with its combat. Bad team AI, super accurate enemy snipers in a small enclosed room, that sort of thing. Not to mention every single enemy in a huge room drops their cover and rushes me the moment I see them. After KotoR and Gears of War, I'm kind of disappointed. Cinematics [besides the first one] aren't as good as I thought they'd be either. Character interaction's great, but Mass Effect loses to any Elder Scrolls easily.

And yes, the shotgun is your friend.

I actually like the combat better than KOTOR, but there really needs to be a "stay the heck behind me, you dolts" option for your teammates. Perhaps I should make that "I like the combat mechanism better than KOTOR's." (What can I say? I went infiltrator because I'm playing it as though it's a spiritual successor to Deus Ex and I like sniper rifles in video games, so I don't get to be friends with the shotgun and I appreciate the way the game lets me handle the gun.) The AI is little more than half decent, and the game is addicted to "ambushing" you (seriously; you can pretty much call every single ambush) with an enormous horde of nasties in congested areas where you have no cover and every single enemy does (not that they use it often, since, as you noted, they have a tendency to rush you).

You're absolutely right -- Mass Effect loses to any Elder Scrolls game easily. Bethesda is simply better at role-playing games than Bioware is. I just offered it as an alternative to the fantasy games (though now we know it's not one that would run on his computer), since Fallout 3 is still a while off.

It's not so much that Mass Effect looses to Elder Scroll games (in my opinion it breaks even with Oblivion. While Oblivion has better mechanics Mass Effect is just so more immersive) It's that Bioware does not seem to be very concerned with the combat in suh games. It just tends to be a vehicle to the next bit of dialouge.

And I like that, in a way. There is somthing just absolutely wonderful about the dialouge sequences, but I would prefer to play a game where I don't actively resent the combat. At least in Morrowind you have the option of avoiding it.