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Do you agree with the statement "I think therefore I am"?
Poll ended at Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:58 pm
Yes 62%  62%  [ 17 ]
No 37%  37%  [ 10 ]
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 Post subject: Are we really because we think?
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Just wondering how many others disagree with that quote.


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My philosophy professor said that is indeed a true statement. He told me, "Our true identities represent our thoughts". Now that I think about I kinda agree with it.


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I agree completely, though I don't really know how to describe it... but I'll try anyways.

I mean if you think about it... if we were all dreamed up how would we respond to situations? wouldn't it just be a reaction or action of the mind of the person would dreamed us up?


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I disagree completely! Life is nothing more than a realistic dream. what we feel is mearly electric impulsis that can be twisted to feel things that arn't their, see things, taste things, and so on. Thinking we are higher being just because we can do things the ones around us can't doesn't make us gods or anything close to it.

That is my opinion.


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"I think, therefore I am" is describing self consciousness. "I know I exist"

and you gotta admit, knowing you exist is certainly useful. Nobody says it means you're better than a dog, or cat. and until we learn Canid or Felid, we don't know if they know they exist.


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Wynni wrote:
"I think, therefore I am" is describing self consciousness. "I know I exist"

and you gotta admit, knowing you exist is certainly useful. Nobody says it means you're better than a dog, or cat. and until we learn Canid or Felid, we don't know if they know they exist.


Woot for paradoxes in our existence =^_^=

Thoughts dictate what we want , actions judge what we really are... but can we judge if we don't know what we think we want?

"Am I sane in a crazy world?"


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I remember in one of my philosophy classes this question being paired with the question 'do we have a self'? As in, a part of us that never changes throughout our whole life. I was pretty bad in philosophy, so I wont go very deep :P I came to the conclusion that we didn't have a self (imo, every part of us changes in life), but this question did validate the fact that we actually exist. Supposedly that was a contradiction, I never knew why...any philosophy geeks want to let me know, I'd be grateful =p


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I don't believe for a second that we are just physical matter. There is no such thing as life when matter itself is inanimate. Electric impulses don't mean squat. I look at it this way, and it is hard to put into words, but try to picture it.

I'll use Kinuki as an example, because hes my hawt love muffin.

Kinuki and me, we have the same bodies. Sure mine has freckles and his probably doesn't and I may or may not be taller. But were still just bodies, hes got a brain, I've got a brain, hes got a heart, and I've got a heart. So what separates us? Why do I see him from these pairs of eyes and he sees me from his? And why am i consciously aware of this? Well if were merely simulated instinctual responses for surviving, there should be nothing to separate us, we should be the borg. And It cannot be individual experiences that shape who belongs in which body, because I was in this body before I could even have experiences and memories. I was born in this body, and Kinuki was born in his.

If we were just instinctual creatures trying to keep our race alive, there would be no reason for all these emotions, or anything humans do. We wouldn't care when someone dies or anything, all that would be happening is our bodies would give us basic responses in which to deal with either numero uno's survival or the "colony" so to speak. We'd be like ants. So I don't believe that Humans are as small and pathetic as alot of people like to believe.

I am inside THIS body because I am more then electric signals in organic matter. This body is my shell, it is my ship, I use this body to interact with the world and reality in which I am presented.

I think therefore I am, I am therefore I am aware.


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I have the same awareness I did the moment I stopped to consider existence. I was in first grade, we were living in Louisianna, and I had just stopped jumping on the bed, and fell back to consider myself.

I'm 33 years old, and I can still put myself back in that six year old body. While our ideas may change as we get older and learn more, some things remain constant. Purple has been my favorite color my whole life, I've adored tigers my whole life, squash and bell peppers have always been nasty, and certain beliefs have remained constant my entire life.

So yes, I think on some level, something remains unchanged and eternal. Think of it this way: what do amnesiacs function on, if we're just a collection of memories?


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Some would say that thought determines reality, but in my opinion that is not true. When doctors diagnose a man with a terminal illness, he cannot think his way back to health. If I imagined I was a fruit bat, would that make me a fruit bat? No.

In my opinion, René Descartes' famed pronouncement is eloquent, but false. I believe that the reverse would be more accurate: "I am, therefore I think."


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When doctors diagnose a man with a terminal illness, he cannot think his way back to health.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... _lung.html

Actually...there are quite a few miracle stories like the one linked here about exactly what you just said. Terminally ill people refusing to accept any medical treatment, and just meditating on being cured and after a while, they're cured. It's a phenomenon linked to something called The Secret, supposedly about how thinking about something really has the possibility of making it happen...not too educated on the subject so I wont dive in. So for example, this guy ate healthy and thought about his cancer being cured, was sure it would be cured, and that positive energy made it so.

Obviously there's physical limitations, like turning yourself into a bat, but I've been following a lot of those miracle stories out of interest, and they really twist reality as we know it. Interesting stuff...hard to say what kind of a reality we exist in (if we do even exist, as this thread poses) if we can't possibly understand it.


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Actually...there are quite a few miracle stories like the one linked here about exactly what you just said.


The mind is a powerful and mysterious thing. It has been proven that events can actually be manipulated by merely observing them.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

I plainly admit that this post was really just to show off this clip. So sue me (please don't)

I voted yes by the way


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Ultimatly if youu break us down into our elemental components we are very similar, it is the way that they are arranged that makes us unique, our brain functions from simple nervous impulse that link to neurons that lik to other neurons ect, creating a neural network. The complexity of this network is beyond our comprehension. But deep down we ARE just a collection of little neurons. Our body is not who we are, it is our brain.


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The complexity of this network is beyond our comprehension

I disagree. We just don’t comprehend yet.


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It is sooooo complex.. i have designed simple neural networks that will do somthing simple things like find a line that does not pass through 5 different dots or somthing, they can learn and adapt to what they are given, this is why they are great at recognising patterns.

The network i described above would consist of about 20 neurons, Our brain can do multiple things at the same time:
Cognitive, Language, Emotion, Life Sustain and so on... Their are so many neurons involved that it is impossible to even imagine that number.


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