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Could trace turn Flora into a human?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:08 pm 
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Trace had/has the power to turn a human into a kendrian, and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that will shorten the life to that of a kendrian.

So..... Can Trace turn Flora into a human, therefore expanding her life span.

I'm not really bringing up if Flora would say yes or no, just a thought that popped into my head and I wanted to share.


((Personally, I do believe she would take it, it does seem sometimes she dislikes her heritage, but then again, she might not.))


**If this has been discussed before, I am very sorry, I did not see the topic anywhere, so I decided to ask what you all thought.


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This has been discussed before - and the answer is if Flora was turned into a human her lifespan would not be increased. What we dont know is if she would look the equvilant age when transformed or look like a child of her age but still would die at the average age of a keidran.

So if Trace turns into a Keidran he doesnt shorten his life span, if he turns a keidran into a human it wont increase the lifespan so the trick is not to just transform the person- but to find out why their lifespans are shorter, easiest way to do that I guess would be to use transformation to figure out what isnt beeing affected and then figure out how to affect that.


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Hmm... interesting, and, sorry, I did not know it had been discussed.

Actually, from a biological stand point, I don't see why the kendrian and Humans have such a different life span.


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Just like cats and dogs have different lifespans from humans in the real world. Different species have different metabolisms and age differently. Interestingly, Mayflies have lifespans of 24hrs, but to the organism it is completely normal, just as humans accept and have adapted their mortality.


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But isn't that also affected by relative size? The bigger the creature, the slower the metabolism, usually...and thus a longer lifespan. Keidran are much larger than your everyday housecat, so...

(Yes, environmental factors are also key, but I'm trying to keep it simple...)
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Here's something I'd like to know. When do Keidran reach sexual maturity? I think it is probably about 9-10 or something like that if you consider that 11 is definitely an adult. (see Flora) Now what confuses me about this is the fact that it takes them half of their lives to mature fully. Just about everything else reaches sexual maturity rather quickly in comparison. At least mammals do. But, if they reach sexual maturity quickly, just not being considered fully grown/adults until much later, the whole thing makes a lot more sense. But here I am, talking about fantasy biology as if I know something. Hehe...


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Tuna wrote:
But isn't that also affected by relative size? The bigger the creature, the slower the metabolism, usually...and thus a longer lifespan. Keidran are much larger than your everyday housecat, so...

(Yes, environmental factors are also key, but I'm trying to keep it simple...)
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Well, Tortoises are smaller than humans and can live quite a bit longer.


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B_Dog wrote:
Tuna wrote:
But isn't that also affected by relative size? The bigger the creature, the slower the metabolism, usually...and thus a longer lifespan. Keidran are much larger than your everyday housecat, so...

(Yes, environmental factors are also key, but I'm trying to keep it simple...)
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Well, Tortoises are smaller than humans and can live quite a bit longer.
Well, that's why I said "also"...
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Metabolism is also very important...and tortoises have, well...pretty dang slow metabolisms...it pretty much more than makes up for their lack of size...
'Sides, if you're talking about the long-lived giant tortioses, they aren't called "giant" for nothing - they're big enough to ride on...


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This has been discussed before - and the answer is if Flora was turned into a human her lifespan would not be increased. What we dont know is if she would look the equvilant age when transformed or look like a child of her age but still would die at the average age of a keidran.

So if Trace turns into a Keidran he doesnt shorten his life span, if he turns a keidran into a human it wont increase the lifespan so the trick is not to just transform the person- but to find out why their lifespans are shorter, easiest way to do that I guess would be to use transformation to figure out what isnt beeing affected and then figure out how to affect that.


Indeed, so the question should be "Why ARE their lives shorter" but this question almost becomes impossible to answer, I mean we really havent even answered that question yet for ourselves other then "We die for horrible diseases less". either that or maybe trace will find a way to slow or temporarily reverse aging so he can get to the root of the other problem (reverse death/black magic?"


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Hmmm, I was looking at relative size when I said biologically....

Personally, I do not see much difference in kendran and humans, they are roughly the same size, same over all body composition. Personally it seems to me that the differences are primarily superficial.

So that leaves me wondering why the life span is so different.


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casterclass wrote:

Indeed, so the question should be "Why ARE their lives shorter" but this question almost becomes impossible to answer, I mean we really havent even answered that question yet for ourselves other then "We die for horrible diseases less". either that or maybe trace will find a way to slow or temporarily reverse aging so he can get to the root of the other problem (reverse death/black magic?"


I'm pretty sure the main reason is they live in tick/tapeworm/other worm like [censored] infestived woods, same reason why humans would only live to about 40 living if they live with pigs (reason most humans should in this time setting) or throw bathtroom waste on the streets (and hit peopel)if they live in cities


the main reason is health and lifestyle.


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But, if they reach sexual maturity quickly, just not being considered fully grown/adults until much later, the whole thing makes a lot more sense.


Humans reach sexual maturity significantly before they turn 18, but they aren't considered adults until that age. They aren't given *full* adult privileges until 21 (in America anyway).

Of course this also depends on definition of sexual maturity. A human male develops the ability to impregnate a female at the late-preteen to early teen years, but doesn't complete puberty until late teens or early twenties sometimes. Which one do you consider sexually mature, the ability to copulate and reproduce, or having finished the stage of puberty? Keidran probably have a bunch of similar things to consider.


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Graham wrote:
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But, if they reach sexual maturity quickly, just not being considered fully grown/adults until much later, the whole thing makes a lot more sense.


Humans reach sexual maturity significantly before they turn 18, but they aren't considered adults until that age. They aren't given *full* adult privileges until 21 (in America anyway).

Of course this also depends on definition of sexual maturity. A human male develops the ability to impregnate a female at the late-preteen to early teen years, but doesn't complete puberty until late teens or early twenties sometimes. Which one do you consider sexually mature, the ability to copulate and reproduce, or having finished the stage of puberty? Keidran probably have a bunch of similar things to consider.


What I mean by sexual maturity is the ability to bear children. Most creatures reach this stage fairly quickly in comparison to his life spans. I would like to know what the Keidran definition of an adult is, and at what time they reach the ability to have children. In order for their lifespans to make sense, in comparison to other creatures, they would have to be able to have a kid at about age 5-6, maybe 7. At least that is my, completely unprofessional, opinion.


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I like to believe anything is possible but its doutful he could do it. I mean powerful as he is he's not god. If their is one...I mean the gods of that planet couldn't give longer life to the kiedren and they can transform matter.


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B_Dog wrote:
Just like cats and dogs have different lifespans from humans in the real world. Different species have different metabolisms and age differently. Interestingly, Mayflies have lifespans of 24hrs, but to the organism it is completely normal, just as humans accept and have adapted their mortality.


Hah, i remember an ad about the Mayfly. Are you refering to it?


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