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I don't know if this has been ask, but it's been bugging me a bit.

They mosty live in the woods and eat only meat, and they heavly breed (which seems they really don't try to control it) mean they must have a very high food demand.

Now normaly the logical answer is yes, they just raise cows and pigs, or fish. But so far (coming for a lot comments) they're more closer to animals than the other races, so means they most like wolves hunt in packs (tigers stalk prey). So wouldn't that lead to them running out of food?

(kinda a stupid question I know )

If there was a poll, i'd say hunting.

yeah I should have polled this

oh sweet you can edit it

EAT THE HUMANS!!
XD

At last, we have the source of the human/Keidran conflict...
;3

Not necessarily. In some places, the hunter/gatherer society thrived quite effectively until outside influences changed the environment. Plains Indians (Native Americans, for the politically correct among you) lived in a society almost entirely based on hunting, and they managed to not run out of food for thousands of years (until outside influences modified the equation, but that's not a discussion for this topic).

Personally, though, I think the Keidran are not just herders, but also farmers. They must do at least one, unless you think Laura's village stole all their cloth. ;) I'd imagine that they herd meat animals, as well as dairy animals (the comic suggests that they widely have the lactose tolerance gene, closely associated to herding dairy animals), but they farm flax for linen (their clothes don't all look wool to me) and possibly other crops for dietary reasons (vitamins) or for raw carbohydrates (calories when meat is scarce).

I think you meant Soylent Green, :P Personally I like the stuff, but it tends to vary from person to person.

Curse you av! you took what I was going to say!

To be as relatively stationary as they are it would almost REQUIRE some sort of agriculture, I mean what you hunt can only last so long.

However, I think they also do a bit of stealing from humans. (killing/stealing livestock raiding caravans etc.) On the whole I am sure they are a mostly self sustained society.

I prefer Soylent Cola.

I personly think that one, or at least for the Tigers since they have been know to be man-eaters (the Bengal tigers mosty), I can see the native ones wearing cloths made of lefts, bones and grass cost (since orange isn't a good camo in the woods) and attack basily anything that come nears them

well would farming livestock (ranching) be the same?

The tigers seem to do just fine in real life, being orange and all :-D. Well besides humans hunting them to near extinction.

avwolf - One should remember that Native Americans /did/ have agriculture, just not on the large-scale that other cultures had it. In some ways, it was more advanced, having a better knowledge of taking care of the soil as well as the plant. In other ways, they were also less advanced.

Also, remember that Native Americans had the Miracle Plant: Corn. Corn feeds far more than wheat, so they really didn't need such large farms as they did in Europe, to get out the same amount of food. A lot of advance in technology and society can be traced to a certain lessening of limitations in what percent of the population needed to be dedicated to food production, after corn was introduced to (at least partially) replace wheat.

As towards the original question:

Keidran, I'm sure, must have farms to some extent. They seem to have towns, so they are stationary. I don't think there's an example of stationary towns in existence that didn't have some level of farming nearby - it's usually the farming that causes the towns to become stationary. You need some reason to stay in place instead of moving around to follow the food.

Now, first off, people say "Keidran only eat meat!" No, /tiger/ Keidran only eat meat. Wolf-type and Fox-type Keidran probably eat mainly meat with a few added bits of vegetable and fruit of some sort - canids are partly omnivorous. I know my dogs used to eat the fruits and vegetables out of the garden - one of them was particularly fond of raspberries and strawberries.

Plus, these are the three Keidren types we know of. Are there possibly other Keidren we don't know of? Coons, rabbits, squirrels, etc? I don't recall ever seeing Tom say anything about that, but it's worth considering. It could be that they never existed, it could be that they used to exist but were wiped out by one of the predator keidren, it could be that they exist, but in other parts of the world, it could be that they exist, but they have little interaction with humans - perhaps they're hidden behind the wolves or something like that.

All that being said, probably yes - the Keidren have farms. Some of them are almost certainly ranches, raising meat-animals, but there's also the possibility of agricultural farms, even for tigers, not as a trading source, but instead as a constant source of food for their livestock? Heck, that's where a large portion of human agriculture goes - horses, pets, and livestock.

I believe the standard joke is "Vegetables are what food eats."

According to a national geographic journal I read, tribes that rely on hunting & fishing as there primary food source, have very small populations in contrast to argricultural tribes who have a lot more people.

Given the current political situation in Twokinds, the Keidran are in an increasing conflict with humans. This means they are going to need an abundant food source, readly available, to sustain larger groups of warriors. Farming & ranching seems to me the most reasonable choice and since the Keidran are sophisticated enough to make there own clothing and weapons, it seems possible.

Ooooh, where to start with this thread? First off: Using the Native Americans as an example is a pretty good strategy, but y'all are missing some very salient points: they weren't all one tribe with one way of life.

Plains tribes were hunter gatherers, whilst others, like the Iriquois(?) were agriculturists. You cannot lump them into one group and say "they lived this way" because that is a major fallacy. Keidran may or may not be the same way.

If they are restricted in their diet to only meat, then herding animals may be an answer. Depending on prey availabilty, Keidran may survive solely on hunting and fishing. Whatever strategy they use, it's simple sense that numbers can't outstrip their food source to be viable.

and lastly (can't believe it hasn't been done yet) "Soylent is People!"

SOYLENT GREEEEN! hahaha, kudos for the reference but i don't think alot of people get it.

hunt/gather and trade is my vote.