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 Post subject: The Master Spy and others? Whose side?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:22 pm 
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The Master Spy has been seen a lot in all of the comics thus far, but it seems that there's still no real position to whether or not he's out to kill Trace and his team or help them. So when this came out: http://twokinds.comicgenesis.com/d/20071105.html I studied it fairly closly. Expecially since Tom has said about how thier faces are faded out to show if their faces have been shown in the comic or not. So I just started looking at them a lot more closely, and expecially at what the Master Spy looks like in the pic.
So then I thought, "what if the robes have something to do with how "evil" they are. Notice how Euchre's cape thingy is wide open. And then notice how the Master Mage's cape is closed. Finally look at the Architech's cape which is halfway open and halfway closed. Maybe the more open the cape, the more they're willing to help Trace and his gang (although the Master Seer is questionable in my mind...)? It seems kinda out there but it might be a good hint of what positions they take.
Another thing that I've seen is the character page says this: "Some are seeking Trace so he may return, while others plot to kill Trace and usurp his power. Still others scheme to keep him away and preoccupied, so he might not return at all." I'm thinkin that this might be the stance of our Master Templar, considering the above facts.

Master Spy: Could be seeking him/helping. Or he could be "scheming to keep him away and preoccupied".
Architect: This could be a distraction. It seems that he is really a bit confused about what to do, and taken his own steps to do what he seems is right.
Strategist: Most likely helping Trace. It would seem odd for him to be doing anything otherwise.
Seer: It is possible he is seeking Trace, following him to see what could be his next step. Though my "cape" theory would say that he's out to help him (even though the cape is a bit more closed than the others).
Mage: Cape is closed. I'm thinkin' that that he/she/whateve is clearly evil.

Again, I realize that this theory is a bit out there (if not just plain confusing), but I thought I'd share it with the community.

Notice- Yes I've read the stickied theory thread.


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Well, from what we saw in the Ephumerai (sp?) battle, master spy and Euchre (very, very likely master strategist) seem to be on the same side...

Now, my real theory :P ...

Spyand architect are all taking the change of Trace's amnesia to try to turn him into the templar he used to be before trying to raise Saria from the dead.
Architect is just worried for his old friends, Seer just wants to keep the power and mage hasn't even shown yet.

As to if they're evil or not, well, I don't think that really matter as long as they're willing to help :)


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Lowde wrote:
Well, from what we saw in the Ephumerai (sp?) battle, master spy and Euchre (very, very likely master strategist) seem to be on the same side...


Well yeah. It just seems that he may have some other reason he's trying to help. Maybe just one motive, bring Trace and Flora together.

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Now, my real theory :P ...

Spyand architect are all taking the change of Trace's amnesia to try to turn him into the templar he used to be before trying to raise Saria from the dead.
Architect is just worried for his old friends, Seer just wants to keep the power and mage hasn't even shown yet.

As to if they're evil or not, well, I don't think that really matter as long as they're willing to help :)


I agree with the spy part. But architect? Why would he be building a tower in the bastian islands to "help" Trace? Doesn't seem to logical.

Maybe it won't matter immediatly if they're evil or not I don't know. But later on I'm sure it would have a consequence one way or another.


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I agree with the spy part. But architect? Why would he be building a tower in the bastian islands to "help" Trace? Doesn't seem to logical.

Maybe it won't matter immediatly if they're evil or not I don't know. But later on I'm sure it would have a consequence one way or another.


My guess is that is was in Trace's plans. Remember that there some that what kill Trace and usurp his power. This imply that they want as much power that possible and will not hesitate to kill anyone that are an obstacle. We imply that Trace's plan was a good plan. So the ones that want kill Trace want it finished. If the master architect stops the creation of the tower, he will be branded as a threat. It's better for him to simply continue to work for soothe the suspicion and work his true plan in the shadow. If he succeed, he will just have to destroy the tower. If he fail, he can always said that he worked for the usurper and survive.

C'est la base de la politique.

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My guess is that is was in Trace's plans. Remember that there some that what kill Trace and usurp his power. This imply that they want as much power that possible and will not hesitate to kill anyone that are an obstacle. We imply that Trace's plan was a good plan. So the ones that want kill Trace want it finished. If the master architect stops the creation of the tower, he will be branded as a threat. It's better for him to simply continue to work for soothe the suspicion and work his true plan in the shadow. If he succeed, he will just have to destroy the tower. If he fail, he can always said that he worked for the usurper and survive.

C'est la base de la politique.

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Very interesting. I like where you're going with this. Cause in the March 23rd, 2007 Comic (sorry, no links...) it says that Trace has "a man on the island. True, we couldn't hope to defeat the directly. We must first rot them from the inside."
So if my prediction is right the Architect guy is trying to corrupt the Bastian somehow. But I don't think he's good still. Although something makes me want to believe Randal when he says that he's not "doing anything sinister..."


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It's because he looks innocent. Now, is It: Tom's art style, actual innocence, or innocent looks hiding a black heart?


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I kind of get the feeling that Euchre and Master Spy are working together to keep Trace and Flora together. If we remember Flora was supposed to marry Scythe from the Wolf Tribe to unite them so the stood a chance against the human army. Now think what would happen if Trace regain his place as the Grand Templar now that he more or less has his memories back. We know the Wolf clan has started a war and we can guess that the Templar are on the front lines. Now what do you think would happen should Trace show up and demand the Templar stop fighting? How many would follow him now that he's sane again? I think something like this might be Euchre and Master Spy's gamble. Get trace on the side of the Keidran and see if that changes the tide of battle. Otherwise, it seems pretty likely that the Wolf tribe is finished and I doubt the Humans would stop once they wiped out the wolves.


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I kind of get the feeling that Euchre and Master Spy are working together to keep Trace and Flora together. If we remember Flora was supposed to marry Scythe from the Wolf Tribe to unite them so the stood a chance against the human army. Now think what would happen if Trace regain his place as the Grand Templar now that he more or less has his memories back. We know the Wolf clan has started a war and we can guess that the Templar are on the front lines. Now what do you think would happen should Trace show up and demand the Templar stop fighting? How many would follow him now that he's sane again? I think something like this might be Euchre and Master Spy's gamble. Get trace on the side of the Keidran and see if that changes the tide of battle. Otherwise, it seems pretty likely that the Wolf tribe is finished and I doubt the Humans would stop once they wiped out the wolves.


Makes sense... the whole see it from another persons point of view, the only thing I don't know about is the world peace part. I mean they are trying to get to a place where they are away from the outside world. Who knows, perhaps when/if Trace is transformed he'll want to help bring an end to the problems instead of running away from them.


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Don't forget the creation of her child, which should shake up the three groups of beings to no end. Trouble for those two is going to magnify as the bump in her belly grows.

Lets hope that comes with a little upper development too :lol:


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Onawing wrote:
Don't forget the creation of her child, which should shake up the three groups of beings to no end. Trouble for those two is going to magnify as the bump in her belly grows.

Lets hope that comes with a little upper development too :lol:


XD I like you.


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Thyself wrote:
Onawing wrote:
Don't forget the creation of her child, which should shake up the three groups of beings to no end. Trouble for those two is going to magnify as the bump in her belly grows.

Lets hope that comes with a little upper development too :lol:


XD I like you.


You seem very sure about the pregnancy, in spite of Tom's vague information. Come to think a lot of people seem to support the idea of a pregnant Flora. Is there a thread were I can discuss my position? A simple link would do just fine.

As for the Master Spy.......IDK, but from what I've read he seems to be one of the good guys in a very sneaky way.


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There've been just too many clues thrown out to support it.

Of course, there's any number of ways it can still go before it's officially confirmed, and all those clues could just be red herrings.


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There've been just too many clues thrown out to support it.

Of course, there's any number of ways it can still go before it's officially confirmed, and all those clues could just be red herrings.

Or, by the same notion, Tom may be building us up for the introduction of Xenomorphs.

Flora got Facehugged!


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Thyself wrote:
Onawing wrote:
Don't forget the creation of her child, which should shake up the three groups of beings to no end. Trouble for those two is going to magnify as the bump in her belly grows.

Lets hope that comes with a little upper development too :lol:


XD I like you.


You seem very sure about the pregnancy, in spite of Tom's vague information. Come to think a lot of people seem to support the idea of a pregnant Flora. Is there a thread were I can discuss my position? A simple link would do just fine.

As for the Master Spy.......IDK, but from what I've read he seems to be one of the good guys in a very sneaky way.


Eh...I'm not sure. I think that there was a stickied one at one point. I'd just search around. Don't wanna resurect any dead threads anyway...
But wouldn't it be funny if she wasn't pregnant?
I would laugh.
Tom would say, "HA! FOOLED YOU! AND NATANI ISN'T BI! TRACE LIKES MEN!"
I can see it now...

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Forgive me for being a newbie with lots af questions, but resurrecting dead threads is a bad thing...WHY?


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