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has anybody ever considered the power of our imaginations? probably not. okay then, think about this

i have a theory that every person has at least one world that they end up forming from their thoughts. these worlds exist completely seperately from our own but with it - one for each person on the planet, housing their thoughts, ideas, a personal creations. taking this into account, the twokinds world would be a completely existant place, seperate but co-existant.

however, this also means that the creatures in this place may have an imagination that can create a world of their own, creating a cycle, and also opening up the question of were we thought up by someone?

sorry, just had to get that out there *shrugs*

Sounds a bit like a theory about infinite dimensions I heard or read somewhere. Can't remember what it is called though. It had something to do with an alternative dimension for every single event that didn't happen in our dimension, or something along those lines.

I believe that once we die, our spirit would go to another dimension world and reborn in that world...
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yea i know...i sound stupid :lol:

bah imagination is for the weak, everything is already made/exsiste/out threre, go look for it!

and it's kinda true, odds are they is an planet that has taken three to five paths of evolvelution form lizard path, (dragons) ape (humans) cat/dogKeidrans, and umm Basitin...

Your theory is the logical opposite of Plato's "Idealistic" world, where the "true" version of everything existed. Before I get to my point, I'll need to explain this further.

You're probably sitting in a chair. And you have seen different chairs in furniture stores. They are all chairs- but undoubtedly, the two thousand dollar massaging recliner at Sharper Image is different from the office chair I'm sitting in now. Yet they are both chairs. Plato believed all people were mentally linked to an "ideal world" where, basically, the ultimate version of everything existed. In this case, the ultimate chair. It would be from that chair that we derived all concepts related to chairs, and how we could tell the similarities between recliners, office chairs, massage chairs, theater seats, etc.

You believe in a concept where people create their own ideal worlds. This is true in a sense- the brain does indeed create a sort of common environment, a world, in which all a man's thoughts can be contained. To say that your statement is true could indicate two possibilities:

A) Brainwaves have a profound effect on alternate universes we are not aware of- in this case, people should probably be more careful what they think. It means there were real kids somewhere being eaten by a clown when Stephen King wrote It, or a real dark god rising from the seas to wreak havoc upon mankind when H.P. Lovecraft wrote Call of Cthulhu. Also, considering mankind can put such "universes" out of his head for weeks, (Which, if we are to keep this theory, could only, logically, destroy the universe, as it is sustained only by the said man's thoughts) it also means that we must indeed have a praiseworthy creator, as he would seem to have astounding control over his mind just to keep us from being utterly obliterated within the span of every five minutes.

In this case, the only we could avoid a cycle of possibly trillions of ended lives would be to constantly sustain that world in our minds. Such intense concentration would probably not be within the ability of most, if any, human beings. However, it is also possible that, since the thinker in question never imagined those people being obliterated, then they never, as far as they were concerned, were.

B) Alternate universes exist on levels we are incapable of understanding, perhaps on an infinitesimally small level. Imprints are made by our minds that form universes within the gluons, neurons, and photons of the atoms of our brain nodes. Similar implications exist for B as there are for A- After all, a person's a person, no matter how small. But then again, it is less likely that these people would be in a state of constant obliteration. However, it is also more likely that their obliteration would be, literally, Biblical in proportion, since the only way they could be destroyed would be something physically happing to those particles that house, or perhaps are, their universe. Every time you forgot a character, he would literally see the world crashing down upon him, quake in fear as every part of his being was totally destroyed.

For the sake of my conscience's own well-being, I would prefer to reject your belief.

I've given this some amount of thought, for the sake of the character whose representation I carry here, Av. In order to mitigate the problems that Mea describes quite well, I've developed a few workarounds. I prefer to consider the spin-off of universes to be somewhat unique -- that is, very very few beings of a created 'verse are capable of creating their own. This keeps universe numbers to a manageable infinity (;)). Furthermore, universes are born of imagination, but do not actually come to exist as a universe immediately. A single imagination cannot create a universe -- it requires a system of intense belief. There aren't any hard numbers as to how many people are required to believe in something to drive it, but it's a reasonably large number. When a conceptual universe reaches that threshold, it spins off into a "real" universe, but it cannot yet maintain itself, it exists, but it is dependent on the support by belief yet. If belief is lost, the universe can still fade and collapse at this point. Given enough belief and enough time, the universe stabilizes, allowing it to continue to exist even after belief in it fades.

That's the way things work for Avvy, anyway. Personally, I kind of doubt that's how real life functions.

well I think I might have another possibility outside this one.

We have all seen or read things on time travel and my concept is somewhat related...

basically if you move away from any point on a given timeline other than the "present" it enters a sort of pause state (if you go back in the past from the present the present no longer exists and is therefore no longer operating)

SO given this when you move away from thought around any given universe it is like turning on pause on the movie your watching while you go make a sandwich. their time freezes but as soon as you come back and turn off pause everything continues as if nothing had happened at all. (basically you just hit the "resume" button on your own universe)

sorry I could have written this better but I am playing games at the same time.

apart from that I think the only "alternate" reality we might ever get a chance to see is the afterlife (if there is one) since not everyone is in love with the fluffy clouds and bunnies idea for a reward of their good deeds in life I am sure that it is pretty much like living in your imagination or the opposite, living in your greatest fears but never being able to really get over them

just some thoughts

Unfortunately this isn't an original idea- as some believe- it's been around for a while many people discovered it on their own without outside interaction to come up with this theory- but it is nearly exactly the same. As shown by several posts the concept has been used and twisted by many philosophers, artists and writers. I myself came up with this idea on my own when i was 9 years old and started a book about it (that was continued and improved even to today, im just not confidant enough in my art skills to illustrate it how i see it).

There are key differences with certain alternate reality theories. The most common is an alternate world based off of free will. Saying "There is a world for every choice that has ever been made, everything from choosing to stop at a stop sign, to choosing what to have for breakfast, or for thinking about breaking habit and doing something totally out of the blue." For example, if you ever thought "Man- it would be fun to kick that little kid!" just as a joke to yourself and you know you would never do that- there would be a world where you did kick that little kid. The show Sliders is a good example of this kinda alternate realities.

Then theres the idea that Ideas and Imagination actually come from these other worlds. While you dream your looking into a bunch of different worlds and your brain interprets them into some kind of story, that sudden inspiration is because your brain waves synced up with the world your idea comes from for a moment, that kinda stuff.

Then theres the creation type, where rather than our ideas and imagination coming from these places- we create them. Our dreams, stories, day dreams, our our minds creating different worlds and creating the stories that fit into them. Writers, artists, and such would be the kind of people that were able to create more than average. But every stray thought may be enough to create such a world- like imagining a character coming to life from a picture on your desk- may create a world where that happens- or it may only be ideas a person pours their heart into like a comic, a book, or a series of art.

Congrats for bringing this up, it's been one of my personal favorite common theories to think about.

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There are either 2 dimensions, or 3, but all part of the same reality. There's this mortal plain of existence, then the spiritual relm. The spiritual relm consists of Heaven and Hell, could be in different relms of the same plain of existance, or they could be 2 separate dimensions. Angles and God can pass between the moral relm and Heaven, but Hell is a prison that not many would care to visit even for a moment, though I believe that the Son of God (Jesus Christ) spent a couple of days after the crucifiction there.
This is what I believe.

Going on what Mea said, I think it's entirely possible for a reality to be fueled by a person's thoughts alone, only to that being instead of being destroyed the moment the creator's thoughts wander off, the reality simply ceases. And like what Casterclass pointed out, the reality would essentially be in a state of pause, since the fuel for the reality to continue is missing.

When a person starts to continue thinking about that reality, the reality goes on as though nothing had ever stopped, and the reason no one in that reality notices is because since they were created out of the imagination, their pasts and memories would be too. So while at this point of time I may be sitting in this chair knowing that five minutes ago I was soundly asleep, that may not have been true. I could have been in a void, appeared typing three minutes ago with just the memory of sleeping five minutes back.

That said, my favorite alternate reality theory is roughly the parallel universe idea Sage mentioned earlier. And yes, I get on the computer first thing when I wake up. Bite me.

as fatal crash said i agree with those two parts of those theories, but with one fundemental difference: i think that the world would begin to sustain itself entirely. eventually it would begin to completely take on a life of it's own, deviating in some way from the original intent, solidifying itself into realty

I love this Topic! Shame I cannot think of anything relatively useful for it.

Well the Universe is this really, really big thing. It's supposed to be infinite (So I've been told). I'm more on the side that the odds are for the fact that every thought made by the human mind has a high probability of existing thanks to the infinite size of this universe.

Think about it, even though there's a probability that we're the only sentient species in the universe, I believe that since this universe is so big that there is a 99.99% chance that the is at least one other sentient life form out there, at least at one point in time. This place is too big for just us to live in.

I too am a fan of this particular subject, but I have a soft spot for most things that could be considered in the realm of theoretical physics

Personally I am more of a believer in the alternate event reality where every decision you can make becomes its own universe which almost instantly explodes into an infinite number of alternate realities

There are some stranger ones out there though... for example the alternate dimensions/realities based on the String Theory. Basically a bunch of physics nerds decided that a reality is pretty much a suspended membrane that oscillates, and there are multiple (anywhere from 11 to infinity) membranes lined up near each other. When these oscillations happen to contact other membranes oscillations, it results in high energy outputs (the result of such a contact is theorized to be the cause of the Big Bang) all of this a result of the mathematical and theoretical analysis of String Theory (in other words don't ask me I'm not that far into physics yet)

there are a lot of cool theories out there though, keep 'em comin'!

I believe that there is no 'main' reality, and the one we're in is basically just one out of an infinite number of them. I also believe in aliens and inanimate objects having feelings.
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