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 Post subject: GG to Australia's Internet
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:36 pm 
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I don't live in Australia but i think this is a ridiculously stupid idea

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Australians will be unable to opt-out of the government's pending Internet content filtering scheme, and will instead be placed on a watered-down blacklist, experts say.

Under the government's $125.8 million Plan for Cyber-Safety, users can switch between two blacklists which block content inappropriate for children, and a separate list which blocks illegal material.

Pundits say consumers have been lulled into believing the opt-out proviso would remove content filtering altogether.

The government will iron-out policy and implementation of the Internet content filtering software following an upcoming trial of the technology, according to the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy.

Department spokesman Tim Marshall said the filters will be mandatory for all Australians.

"Labor's plan for cyber-safety will require ISPs to offer a clean feed Internet service to all homes, schools and public Internet points accessible by children," Marshall said.

"The upcoming field pilot of ISP filtering technology will look at various aspects of filtering, including effectiveness, ease of circumvention, the impact on internet access speeds and cost."

Internet Service Providers (ISPs) contacted by Computerworld say blanket content filtering will cripple Internet speeds because the technology is not up to scratch.

Online libertarians claim the blacklists could be expanded to censor material such as euthanasia, drugs and protest.

Internode network engineer Mark Newton said many users falsely believe the opt-out proviso will remove content filtering.

"Users can opt-out of the 'additional material' blacklist (referred to in a department press release, which is a list of things unsuitable for children, but there is no opt-out for 'illegal content'", Newton said.

"That is the way the testing was formulated, the way the upcoming live trials will run, and the way the policy is framed; to believe otherwise is to believe that a government department would go to the lengths of declaring that some kind of Internet content is illegal, then allow an opt-out.

"Illegal is illegal and if there is infrastructure in place to block it, then it will be required to be blocked -- end of story."

Newton said advisers to Communications Minister Stephen Conroy have told ISPs that Internet content filtering will be mandatory for all users.

The government reported it does not expected to prescribe which filtering technologies ISPs can use, and will only set blacklists of filtered content, supplied by the Australia Communications and Media Authority (ACMA).

EFA chair Dale Clapperton said in a previous article that Internet content filtering could lead to censorship of drugs, political dissident and other legal freedoms.

"Once the public has allowed the system to be established, it is much easier to block other material," Clapperton said.

According to preliminary trials, the best Internet content filters would incorrectly block about 10,0000 Web pages from one million.


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Content identified by the ACMA as ‘prohibited content’ under Australian law is a relatively small category of content in terms of the many categories of content that parents may consider unsuitable for their children. The ‘prohibited content’ category consists of content that would be ‘Refused Classification’ (child sexual abuse, acts of extreme violence or cruelty, etc) or would be classified X18+ (non violent sexually explicit).


http://www.efa.org.au/censorship/mandat ... -blocking/

http://www.infoworld.com/news/feeds/08/ ... ?source=gs

Shortened version: The Oz government is implementing a mandatory internet filter in Australia. There are 2 filter types. One for under 18yo's, and one for over 18yo's. The group who gets to decide what both filters are allowed see are extremely socially conservative. Bye bye ED,porn,violent games (along with numerous other sites THEY deem 'inappropriate"). Even for the 18+ version

Well lets just say this, if you play any r18+ games like silent hill etc those sites are banned too.


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:46 pm 
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AHAHAA! That may be one of the worst ideas I have ever heard!

Seriously, this is just plain silly.
Banning it because some politicians feel its distasteful. I mean, banning porn? What purpose could that serve?

And this is one goddamn slippery slope to. Can anyone say "religiously and politically questionable material bans?"


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:33 pm 
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Is anyone on this forum in Australia?

I know I've got a friend there... -_-


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
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FoobyKamikaze wrote:
Is anyone on this forum in Australia?

I know I've got a friend there... -_-

There are a few.


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
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If they block Blotch's website, they will feel my American WRATH. XD


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
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I believe I speak for me, and only me, when I say this:
[censored] the children.

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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:06 pm 
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Sable Dove wrote:
I believe I speak for me, and only me, when I say this:
[censored] the children.

∑:∂≤


"Hi, I'm Chris Hanson... take a seat over there."


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:26 pm 
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Sable Dove wrote:
I believe I speak for me, and only me, when I say this:
[censored] the children.

∑:∂≤


You mean that in the baaaaaaaad way don't you?


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
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:shock: What's uhh... what's the alternative way to mean that? :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:38 pm 
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see, but then the international porn industry lobbyists will bribe their eyeballs out. With their big bags o' money.


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:04 pm 
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Those porn guys got money coming out the YING.


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:07 pm 
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You know what scares me? This is bound to happen here, too.


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:06 am 
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Drisk Kayne wrote:
:shock: What's uhh... what's the alternative way to mean that? :shock:


Well theres the whole "a stuff the kids" kinda 'who cares' kind of saying. Then there is the literal sense


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
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*opens mouth* ... *closes mouth* ... *facepalm*

Aren't there laws against this? Sure, it's okay to block inappropriate content from children, but if someone over x age wants to see something, it should be his choice.

And how do we define "illegal content" again? Torrent sites? Pr0n? Games? All are legal in themselves, but blocked. Maybe some sites of pure malware? But of course for some mysterious reason they won't be blocked.


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 Post subject: Re: GG to Australia's Internet
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:43 am 
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Demus wrote:
*opens mouth* ... *closes mouth* ... *facepalm*

Aren't there laws against this? Sure, it's okay to block inappropriate content from children, but if someone over x age wants to see something, it should be his choice.

And how do we define "illegal content" again? Torrent sites? Pr0n? Games? All are legal in themselves, but blocked. Maybe some sites of pure malware? But of course for some mysterious reason they won't be blocked.


Nope, no laws. I hope those morons get a kick in the balls just for trying to choose for the ISPs's consumers.

"Ah, there are too many choices for you on the internet, so we will make all the choice for you!"


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