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We're getting down to the wire: a mere 5 weeks or so until the 2008 United States presidential election. This thread's purpose is to discuss the candidates, the issues, the coverage, or any other issue related to the upcoming election.

To start, I'd like to share this video by comedian Craig Ferguson on the seriousness and importance of this election:

The Duty to Vote

His point is one I agree with. Regardless of what you believe, who you'd vote for, or how you believe our country's problems should be solved, make your voice heard. It is our duty as citizens of this democratic nation to elect those who best represent the will of the people. If you have the ability to vote but choose to not use it, you are throwing away the right that our country was founded upon -- the belief that the people of a nation have the right to freely elect a representative to govern for them.

Please, exercise your right to vote. Make your voice heard.

I'm voting for [Candidate Name] and there's nothing you can do about it!! :3

Damn you necessary voting age, damn you! If I could vote, it would definitely be for Obama.

Voting is important... and its pretty sweet, at my college they are giving us that day off to go and vote (sweet!) I would have done it either way but hey who's complaining?

I want to bring up tomorrows (Thursday Oct. 2) VEEP debate, Palin vs. Biden. I found out an interesting tactic where the party plays up the skills of the other debater and plays down their own skills, thusly screw ups hurt them more and you less. Also I found out that the republicans are not very worried because of the low expectations of their VP so all they have to do is avoid a major screwup.

So what do you all think? also who's going to be watching tomorrow? Personally I would have to agree with the populace I can't say I expect much from Palins debating skills so I think Biden might win, but who knows? perhaps the coaches at McCains ranch can whip her into shape.

amen to that...

Biden's supposed to be a very good debator. I wouldn't mind seeing a strong performance out of him, considering the faux pas he's had lately. Of course, I'd also like to see Palin do well in the debates. While the expectations for her aren't very high, if she has a strong debate, it will do some very good things for her reputation and for future expectations. The low expectations for Palin are, I suspect, one of the many factors that have contributed to the poll numbers for McCain fading.

Suddenly today I wish I had not registered to vote yet, They were giving out free pizza on campus if you registered to vote at a stand they had set up. but you had to register to get the pizza. I have been registered for a couple of months or so now....

Biden and Palin...man. Biden is a backstabbing [censored], and Palin is...well, she's Palin. Many followers of Palin have ousted McCain for not being Christian conservative enough, and that's all I need to say about her.

Biden may be a jerk, but he's a genius in politics. He knows everything, all the ins and outs of that business and the current state of America. Palin just doesn't have nearly his experience, the debates aren't going to be fair at all. Add that to the fact that in informal interviews, Palin has already displayed a serious lack of skill in this category (Interviewer - "How do you feel about the Bush Doctrine?, Palin - "The Doctrine? Like, what he does?")

I may or may not completely agree with the following picture, but it's funny enough to post here-




As to voting...bah, it may be my duty, doesn't mean I have to like the choices.

The Bush Doctrine question's a poor example, though you're right in general. (There have been four separate things called "the Bush Doctrine," all of which are related, but somewhat different, different enough that asking for clarification would be fair. And that's from Charles Krauthammer, who coined the term.) Palin hasn't interviewed very well.

Palin's very good at... er... seeing Russia.

Well I recently watched a succession of clips with palin involved which are down the same kind of street.

"What are some of the publications you read before coming to this point to inform you on issues around the globe"

She dodges that and later questions by taking the stance that Alaskans aren't informed.

In another interview with McCain present it was brought up that she supported military action in pakistan like Obama did where as McCain did not, McCain interjected and cut off the question by saying it was "gotcha quotes" but she was talking to a voter and in an interview.

There were a few others but they slipped my mind. What it means? *shrug* all I know is the debate will be interesting tomorrow I think.

As for Biden, he is a bit slimy... but Obama picked him for a few reasons and one of them was to be able to spot check McCain since they were both there, all politicians seem get slimier as a function of their time spent in Congress.

I'm not a huge Couric fan, mainly because she refers to "gays" as a different, F-word.

Anyhoo, I did love how Palin essentially said that what she told some people in a bar when the press was with here didn't count, because she was talking to voters. :3

And firing respected cops who are in favor of passing more anti-rape legislation, or who just don't obey her whims. Pick one. Hell pick both, that might be right too.

Voting is growing more and more controversial in America. For example, in my case, I'm at an area where I really don't like either candidate very much. I would love to not vote for either of them. That in itself is a shame, because I don't consider myself very demanding when it comes to the aspects I'd like my commander in chief to have.

But what can I do? Vote for a third party, basically the same as not voting... I don't care about trying to get another candidate to reach 5% votes to receive funding in the next election. And I'm sure we've all heard the controversy about the 2000 elections, how there is concrete evidence that Gore received more votes than Bush. Did we get that hippie as president though? No. Voting is going down the drain more and more as the decades go by.

I want to move to England or Canada very badly, but I'd never get a job in the security or intelligence industry anywhere but here, so I'm going to be forced to live with this system (and no universal health care!) until I'm a crotchety old guy =/

Hmm? Sorry, I didn't realize. I usually just get my stuff from the BBC since they tend to be a bit more unbiased, sorry about that. :(

Yeah, that was right up there with the "we blame the other guys for bringing partisanship into this bill! so we decided we didn't want to support fixing a major problem with our country!" when it was just trying to cover their [censored] when since they are up for reelection too.


Here was her response to the Russia thing


**EDIT sorry don't mean to seem hostile to people who support McCain/Palin don't want to force you out of the conversation because then it's just a bunch of people agreeing. Everyone bring up some politician screwups so we can make fun of everyone!

**EDIT take 2 More debate stuff to annoy you with!

I'm really not sure what I want to do with my vote. Writing in Ron Paul feels like wasting my vote since we basically know he won't win, but I can't support either major candidate.

The whole party system has [censored] America over really well.