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 Post subject: Another shoot-out in Finland.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:51 am 
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Second one in the whole history of Finland - first in Jokela (around a year ago), now Kauhajoki.

I'll sum everything I gathered during the day here...

-The shooter was a 22-year local student, Matti Juhani Saari. He belongs to a misanthropy group, likes guns, sex and beer (according to himself).
-Had been planning the event since 2002.
-He had recently bought his first gun and published pictures and threatening videos on Finnish photo-gallery and YouTube (very similiar to "Sturmgeist86"s), although had no messages or notes about his motives. The police had taken him into questioning on Monday, but "saw no reason to confiscate his weapon" and released him.
-Today (Tuesday) around midday, he walked into a school classroom full of students working on assays and began shooting.
-Tried to set school on fire with Molotov cocktails he had brought with him.
-10 dead, two injured. Shot himself into head and was carried into hospital.
-Died in the hospital about an hour later.
-Tomorrow there will be cake and grief counseling in every school again.

The staff of IRC-gallery (the finnish photo gallery) had reported this man to the police, who eventually did nothing, even though publishing such video should be enough to prove that this man should not carry a gun (he had a license, too). Yet the police and school ministry blame on mental departments having too little money to cover all this!

Also, why the hell can't these people already learn to properly shoot themselves without struggling for their lives for the next few hours?

I'm not going to go through all the discussion about the shooter's mentality. Not yet, at least. Right now I'm too saddened and pissed off to really to, but allow me to express my disgust towards these people once again... If their hatred against humanity is so great, why not point the gun at the nearest human being instead of a whole class? Like for example, at themselves?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7630969.stm

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Guess what theyre going to blame this on (Hint: Jack)


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:48 pm 
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I live in Finland, Kerava to be exact, very near to Jokela.

Not only am I incredibly upset that this has happened again, what is even worse is that the police considered confiscating the man's weapon on Monday and all of this could have been avoided.

Just barely a year after Jokela and 11 dead too many.

Not all of the victims have yet even been identified because apparently the gunman tried to dispose of his victims by setting them on fire with gasoline he had hidden in a large gym bag.


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Lord_Ron wrote:
I live in Finland, Kerava to be exact, very near to Jokela.

Not only am I incredibly upset that this has happened again, what is even worse is that the police considered confiscating the man's weapon on Monday and all of this could have been avoided.

Just barely a year after Jokela and 11 dead too many.

Not all of the victims have yet even been identified because apparently the gunman tried to dispose of his victims by setting them on fire with gasoline he had hidden in a large gym bag.
you know ive noticed something
school Shooting are becoming much more rampant lately


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Sorry to hear that happened. Count on it being a hotbed issue for gun control if that's an issue in Finland.


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Ryu wrote:
Lord_Ron wrote:
I live in Finland, Kerava to be exact, very near to Jokela.

Not only am I incredibly upset that this has happened again, what is even worse is that the police considered confiscating the man's weapon on Monday and all of this could have been avoided.

Just barely a year after Jokela and 11 dead too many.

Not all of the victims have yet even been identified because apparently the gunman tried to dispose of his victims by setting them on fire with gasoline he had hidden in a large gym bag.
you know ive noticed something
school Shooting are becoming much more rampant lately


It's less of it being more rampant and more of it being reported, and also a larger media that more people are informed of it, like I doubt before I'd have heard about anything that happens in Finland.

It's another sad sad event.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:34 pm 
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Blech, sorry to hear about it. People trying to make their problems famous by taking a gun to school. Hopefully the trend will reverse in the near future :cry:


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:40 pm 
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This happens practically never in Finland, so it's considered a great tragedy.

They're now thinking about making guns harder to get, but notes found in Juhani's apartment show that he has been planning the event since 2002, so I think they're beginning from the wrong end...

*Added some details to first post*

There's no telling if this is going to turn into a boom in Finland, so I don't know if I really can be happy about living in Helsinki or not. The attention these guys get in media could provoke other think alikes.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:53 am 
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Copycats happen, and the frickin media makes it so easy for them.

"Jee, my life sucks, I hate everyone, but I wanna go out in style and get lots of attention....ooooh what's this?"

I'd love to fix their problem for them, before they'd become a problem for my darlings.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:34 pm 
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You see it more and more. I remember Columbine, and the scares it brought here in the US afterward. Even the Virginia Tech massacre there were huge warning signs that no one ever did anything about. Then the lawmakers get all up in arms and start shouting gun control, and cast blame on anything. These people are crazy, plain and simple.

It really is a tragedy though. I guess all you can do is hope someone's looking out for the families that lost loved ones.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:47 pm 
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psh. Texas was on the school shooting van before it was popular.

Charles Whitman, the UT tower, a sniper rifle, various other weaponry, and a highly deadly brain tumor do not a good mix make.


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