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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:12 pm 
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So I thought I'd start a central topic for the U.S. elections, including talk about primaries, and the eventual journey to the November elections. So have at it!

Personally, I like the way things are shaping up this year. People are really getting out there and getting involved in politics, it's heartening. The field is narrowing better than it seems to have before. It's likely to be McCain v. Romney and Obama v. Clinton going into the nominations. I'm betting on an Obama v. Romney election, unless there's an upset. Anyone else have predictions, observations, etc.?


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I'm voting repub, but if we wind up with a dem I'd rather it be Obama than Hiliary "We are the president" Clinton.


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I'm not particularly political, but here's my two cents.

I love Ron Paul's domestic policies, but his foreign policies worry me slightly.

At the moment, Huckabee has perked my interest. He spoke at my university the other day. And, while he didn't go into his political views (irony, huh?), he was a powerful speaker. To be honest, I don't know too much about any of the candidates. I'll most likely end up doing a little research come October and just make my decision then.

But if Hillary wins, I'm moving to Canada.


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I have to agree with you about Hilary, but I don't frankly like Huckabee. He's just for and against all the wrong things, to me. I'd pick the inexperienced Obama over that air-head Hilary. I mean, hell, even after her husband's affairs, she never divorced him. She'd be a terrible leader.


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But if Hillary wins, I'm moving to Canada.


Funnily enough, I feel the exact opposite of you. I detest Ron Paul's domestic policy, and if Huckabee gets elected, I'm moving to Canada. No, seriously. I may end up moving up there, because there I'd actually be able to get married...


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As far as that goes, sweetie, if enough of the legislature gets together, a civil union bill could pass despite who's president.

And if one state says you're married, your union isn't anulled or canceled in another.

Once married, the other states HAVE to recognize it. So really, leaving it up to the states means a better chance of getting marriage rights.

Who'm I voting for? That depends on who the final nominees are. Most likely republican. Economics tend to take care of themself, given time :wink:


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So, for those who say they will not vote for Clinton...what if Obama wins the nomination, and picks her as his running mate? Would you not vote for Obama if she was on the ticket?

Personally, I think an Obama/Edwards ticket would be pretty popular...
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As far as that goes, sweetie, if enough of the legislature gets together, a civil union bill could pass despite who's president.

And if one state says you're married, your union isn't anulled or canceled in another.

Once married, the other states HAVE to recognize it. So really, leaving it up to the states means a better chance of getting marriage rights.

That would be nice; if a civil union bill passed, then it'd be merely up to where I am in my life and where I need to go in life that would decide whether I stay or move someplace else. However, separate but equal is always meant to separate and never really equal, so it's kind of a situation of it being tolerable and acceptable, but the push for full marriage would never be gone.

I should also add that, although such a bill might pass a majority Democratic Congress, the President would veto it the moment he gets it, and there's no way they'd get the 2/3 majority to override the veto.

As for what you said about the states, that's unfortunately not true. What makes that so, that every state must recognize a marriage performed by another, is the Full Faith and Credit Clause. For some reason, it doesn't apply to gay marriage, and I'm not sure whether it's due to the DOMA, to laws passed in each state prohibiting it (this seems to be the case), or judicial precedent, but eh, either way, it's unfortunately not true. :(


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I have a feeling, reguardless of who wins, a large chunk of the population will want to move to Canada.

It might make the Canadians guard thier boarder tighter. :lol:


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I have a feeling, reguardless of who wins, a large chunk of the population will want to move to Canada.

It might make the Canadians guard thier boarder tighter. :lol:


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I dunno... I'm not really looking forward to the election with enormous anticipation, personally (I'm not totally thrilled with any of the candidates, I'll grant I'm only ramping up my studies now, and probably won't be paying full attention until we have actual nominees). Won't decide who I'm voting for until I know who for sure is up for the election, though as a Republican, I lean in that direction. I'm still planning to have big party and cheer it on like a football game, I'm just not entirely sure who I'm cheering for yet. That said, I am keeping an eye on Canada, and they're in the midst of a huge debate on Freedom of Speech at the moment (as in "should we have it"). Until that gets finished up, I don't think I'd consider Canada much of an option. ;)

I have a feeling the Republican nominee's going to end up being McCain, but Romney could still pull something out. It doesn't look like anybody's going to end up with enough delegates to have the nomination in the bag. Can't speak for the Democrats, though, I haven't seen projected numbers for them.


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*sigh* I just want it all... TO GO AWAY. Do you realize how many times I've heard people literally BICKERING over the candidates and then asking MY opinion?!

For those of you who don't know, I work at the Voter Registrar in Chesapeake, VA. VA's Primary's are around the corner. Infact, Monday, I start with Absentee votes.

From the people who have come to me to register, trust me, all of them say 'I'm gonna vote for so-and-so' and sometimes, I ask.

Right now, from what I've HEARED, it looks like it might be Hilliary winning for the Democrats. As for the Republicans, I haven't heard much buzz on them at all... the most I've heared is McCain o_O

Whenever I asked someone why they would vote for their candidates, all the ones voting for Obama said the same thing: "A woman. In office? Hell no."

So I asked them, "Well, what about his views?"
"I just don't want a woman in office"

:/ I know who I'm voting for, but I'll keep that to myself.


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Was it "a woman," or "that woman"? While I think a woman is fully capable of running this country and representing it with dignity, I don't trust that one as far as I could throw her.

She would not be on my list of "safe adults" to watch my kids.

I simply wanted clarification on whether they were gender biased, or genuinely worried about credentials.

and can I have their addresses if they're chauvanist pigs? I wanna send 'em a present. <evil cackle>


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Yeah. I'm of the mindset that we could probably do well with a woman or black president, but I just don't want THAT woman. Obama seems like an okay person, but I disagree with a lot of his policies. I really don't know which republican I'm going for. I can't vote in the primaries, so it really doesn't make much difference anyway.


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I wish I could vote in the primaries =<

I was supporting Kucinich until he dropped out. Now I'm supporting Hilary.

Not because I like her lots or anything, but because I would prefer her to Obama. If Obama wins the Democratic nomination, I might support him. I respect McCain, but I'm afraid I cannot support him with his steadfast support of the war. I just don't like Huckabee. The best I can say about him is that his name is fun to say. I like the fact that Paul is opposed to the war, but n other issues it's shaky at best. Romney I think is disguising his real views, but I still have no idea what they are.

*sighs* I just think the voting system is screwed up, tho'. In multiple ways.


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