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Hey guys, lets talk about something serious for a moment here. Whether or not you support the war in the middle east, and I sure as hell don't, one must support the soldiers fighting over there, yes? http://www.ivpnewmedia.com/10thst/tifts/index.php Check out the video on this site and, perhaps, sign the petition. For the soldiers.

This is a great cause. Any and all feeling about the war aside, our soldiers deserve this.

By the way, you might want to post the original link instead of that one.
http://thisisforthesoldiers.org/

I only have 1 good reason beyond the troops for supporting the war right now... regardless of how we got there, if we leave, they, the terrorists, will have won their Jihad, making them believe that Allah is behind them in their fight. With that belief, they will never stop going after us.
But that aside; yes we need to support our troops no matter what happens over there, and no matter what decisions are made here.

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Dude, Afghanistan was about Terrorrists. Iraq is about Bush's pollitical agenda, and finishing what his Daddy failed to finish in the late 80's/early90's. But, even after Sadaam's execution, we're still in Iraq. Now, I understand that someone just as bad as, or worse than, Sadaam could slip into power if we left before things settle down there, but if that happens, we can just go back if we're threatened again. So yeah, I don't support being in Iraq in the least bit. I might support being in Afghanistan, if I knew about what was going on there, but for now I don't, because we're not getting anything resembling results. All I support is the troops.

peace was never brought by having guns in the country. It is a shame that one man's political ambitions can ruin so many young lives. A simple assassination and warning to future rulers would have been enough, but instead our troops have to suffer.

DUDE! I totally agree. I miss the days when assassinations were commonplace. Things were a bit simpler back then, eh?

This is a cool article about the Bush presidency relating to the war. Its really good.

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/06/20/greenwald/

It goes to talk about how the Bush presidency has taken increasingly aggressive steps toward protecting the peace of the US. I'm not saying I'm for or against this article, just that it sparked some good debate within my friends and myself.

Regardless, yes I'm aware that we might have come to Iraq for the wrong reasons, and the fight in Afghanistan seems to be going no where, that wasn't my point; both countries have radicals that would like to see everyone in the USA dead. Think, depending on how this upcoming presidential election turns out, we might see a withdrawal of troops from the middle east, now while that will solve the problem of our troops dying over there, it doesn't solve the problem of what will happen next. A lot of the religious leaders of the Islamic faith (the Imams) have declared/supported a Jihad against the US. If we pull out, we will have told them, the radicals/terrorists, that they can defeat the United States. Talk about a confidence booster for them; all those radicals will be looking to destroy us to fulfill what they see as Allah's will, meaning they'll go to heaven or w/e... If you see my point, good. Of course this isn't a sure thing, but it is very likely to happen if we do pull out.

Y'see, that's just the thing. If we get a leader wise enough to pull out, surely said leader will be wise enough to know that the confidence boost you mentioned for the radicals can be used against them. The line between confidence and over-confidence is a very thin one, my friend. A wise enough leader will see the condidence boost coming, and prepare for it descretely, so as to catch the radicals in the act, or will make a blatant show of power to discourage the radicals from trying anything stupid in the first place.

heh all I have to say to that is maybe... Pray for good leadership, lol

Okay, you just reiterated the reasons hawks gave for staying in Vietnam. It's called domino theory, and I'd like to point out that the only country communism spread to was Cambodia, and only after Nixon decided "you know what, let's bomb them too."