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Have any of our fellow forumers seen the entire thing? did you think it was good? crappy? insanely cool?

A link perhaps would be in order. I'm certain that more people would know what you're talking about then. A link to the IMDB's page on the movie is ususally a big step in the right direction.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367439/ This is the one I found. It's for a TV Series. I'm not sure if you meant the movie or if there even is one.

Wolfs Rain was probably the worse anime that studio has come up with-- it was filled with plot holes and bad character designs--- yeah some people might not share my opinion- but well you have a character thats very proud- but he drops that pride whenever it would prevent the character from being cool-- yeah these characters arent suposed to be human-- but you cant connect with them-- you cant connect with ANY of the characters-- its like watching animal planet... live or die-- why should i care? Their dogs wandering around wanting to go to doggy heaven... which never happens-- and their hard work is meaningless-- making the whole show seem like a waste of time....
But the fangirls still like it because half the cast is bishi...

In only saw a few episodes of it when it was on Adult Swim. It was so ....wierd? I remeber seeing a massing army. And some people that turned into wolves. And some guy fell off a cliff and died.

I actualy liked it... And as to what sage said, I doubt most viewer will over analyze the show enough to notice the character flaws and plot holes, I did untill after you said that. Still, that pride/cool guy was... well, cool! I still liked the lazy one that ended up being from the city the most though.

character development on 'one' character was shallow, that was it. There were no plot holes because it all followed the storyline, there were no "skipped beats", you can't point them out either.

It was an amazing show for what it represented. To say "why should I care, they're doggies, they just want to get to doggy heaven" is just dense of you. Replace the word "wolves" with any kind of oppressed 'anything' in the world that are trying to find their peace regardless of the odds. Replace that word with anyone who's hated or feared because it's what's supposed to be. That's how you're supposed to relate to it, not "they're doggies", I'm sorry you couldn't find in the oodles of different personalities in the show, one that fit your persona. And that statement just makes me believe you spewed that from your mind without actually 'EVER' using logic in deciphering the show.

Yes, they actually did reach their heaven to an extent, it ended up partially corrupted though due to the eye left of the one 'evil' wolf. It's supposed to be out those who struggle toward a naturally beneficial goal are stopped by those who already have their set way in life, or are corrupted in their journey (the evil wolf), the fights, the storyline, the wolves were 'all' a method of transporting that idea to the public.

Your so called analyzation of the cartoon was no more than you using the word "plot holes" as if there were any.

EDIT: And them not finding their heaven, per se, was a more realistic approach instead of having the good guys win, because the good guys weren't always the "good" in this show, though noble their end goals were. Instead of rainbows and balloons at the end, it showed the more likely ending, a more 'human' ending. It didn't make it worthless, it allowed people to read into it..which is what you did...right?

"I hate wolves-- so i kill them for a living, we dont know why wolves can create illusions to make them look human-- but we just decide that we have this book here that says it all-- well maybe it does-- it doesnt say anything about how or why-- we just asume it does. Anyways I kill wolves for a living- I can spot a wolf a mile away-- even if he's trying to look human. Come one Blue--- you look just like a wolf but you cant be one cuz i would know--- lets go."

They never tell you why they are doing something-- they say its instinct? Please-- if its animal instinct they all wouldnt stop searching-- but they have em give up. Instinct is something they do no mater what-- hunt and kill for food- drink- hide- fight-- all that is instinct-- but to find a lady that smells like flowers? Sorry thats not instinct-- so its missing why they are doing that there.
I guess you think that its too much to ask that people should be able to relate to the main characters- they are just dogs-- they tell you that over and over again-- they are just dogs traveling with a flower-- their emotions? Anger, rage, sadness, happyness --- all based around animal instincts and how they react to a flower-- not human-- the best characters in the show were suporting characters-- the man and his ex-wife, they had purpose--- the wolves? Nope-- they were lame. Ya had 2 "alpha males" fighting-- a cub and a servant-- and a female that poped in sometimes.
Compair this with their other shows-- Cowboy Bebop? Much better, Samurai Shamploo? Ditto.
You wanna try and say that its better that the didnt find "doggy heaven"? That doesnt explain how they were all half dead at the end and then all of a sudden they were all walking around in a city-- they didnt explain that-- so what? you assume that the flower magically healed em all? Or that it transported them all somewhere? Sorry but thats a huge plot hole-- it doesnt make sense for these dead people to suddenly be walking around a city?
"Oh but it has deep spirital meaning!" no-- no it doesnt- it means episode 24 or 26 came around a little too fast for them and they only have a budget for a lame ending. I bet the manga has a better ending-- and if it doesnt-- then theres a book to add to the fire.

The old man didn't kill wolves for a living, he did it because he believed they were the cause of his families death, so you're severely wrong in that effect.

Never said anything about deep spiritual meaning. The show, once again, though personifying wolves, was about anyone struggling to find a better result to the current world. You're focusing far too much on the fact that they're appearance is of a wolf. Also, knowing how they'd transform or why is completely irellevant to knowing the story and understanding it.
Your view on the instinct is partially skewed in this topic, it's not that they gave up on anything, in fact, they pushed on to their end goal of finding this "heaven" to the point of death. I don't call that giving up, so what exactly were you talking about in reference to instinct again?


At the end they're walking around in the city because the "heaven" had been reached through the means which it was supposed to, however, corruption was never competely eliminated, leaving the eye was a mistake. So instead of a perfect world we get an example of a semi-perfect society with both corrupt and good-ness. They weren't transported anywhere, they changed the world from what it was, to what it used to be, it's not a plot hole, like I said, you didn't take the time to read anything into the series beyond what was right in front of you, that much is very obvious. Oh and your reference to characters....Spike in Cowboy Bebop is the brooding badass, Oh wah, so predictable, Fae is a girl who's lost her memories and has a secret crush on the bad-[censored], oh wah, so predictable and blah....Oh wait, no it's not because specific personas fit specific people...which the show did quite well.

See, there's a point in a show where you have to draw meanings from the shows themselves, the author expects at least something from his audience. Comparing it to other shows like Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo is trivial due to the different nature of the shows, but yes, I like both of those anime's better, but does that mean Wolfs Rain was bad? Plotless? No, it doesn't, and it wasn't.

Don't tell me you hated Evangelion because you couldn't discern what some of the things meant without taking some time looking into it.

To put it simple, the reason you fail to understand the story, and the reason I actualy agreed with sage, is a nice big lack of judgment.

If you think the way you do than why should you like Twokinds? Flora's not human. See, but we think of her as a person. So you have to think of the characters as people, not rabid mutts. And my friend... I find being less than sane can help sometimes. Helped with fooly cooly! ((No, I'm not saying this show is like fooly cooly, you just might not understand it the first time through.))

I have seen the entire thing, I thought it was better early on, the story seemed to fall apart near the end and I had problems keeping track of things. Overall I think it was a good series. (I like Blue >.>)

Um...you agree with sage? Or my take on the show? I'm confused...But yes, FLCL had to be watched multiple times to get it sometimes, though, after you make it through the first few episodes you can start to catch on.

Flora isnt human- but you can connect with her because she has human emotions and shows them-- these wolf characters dont have that-- they have backstories but none of them (except the youngest) has any emotions that sets them apart from just being an animal. You think "well they are animals! So why should they act human?" -- A character has to connect with the viewer to make that character feel real-- its a fundamental part of creating a character and writing.
Im saying most of the wolf characters were plain- the story didnt explain any reason as to why the wolves were able to do what they do, they had a character that while he had a story never explained why he couldnt tell that dog of his was part wolf (it looked just like all the other wolves and im sure a guy that does nothing but run around shooting at people he thinks are wolves could tell the difference between a wolf and a domestic dog)- The "nobles" arent explained at all-- they just exist. Somehow a noble turns himself into a wolf? They didnt explain that MUCH either (he said some things hinting at it but it still wasnt a good way to do it.)
The reason I compair this with Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Shamploo is because they were all made by the same group-- and both Bebop and Shamploo had great characters and background and little to no plot holes- why is it that this one anime they did after Bebop has all these little things that make it seem so lame to me? Maybe the manga is just as bad...
It seems to me that a lot of people here dont like my opinion because i stated that Wolves are animals and they dont make good characters- thats not what i said- I said these wolves dont make good characters because they act too much like the comon animals-- i dont want animes to replace Animal Planet- animal characters are fine-- Ein was a great example-- and they didnt have to make him able to speak and look human...
Honestly it seems like some of the people here are defending it because they are "atuned" to animals like man furries think they are... Just because you like wolves doesnt mean you have to like the animes about them...

Attuned to animals? Hardly, I defend it because your analyzation of what the show is is completely wrong. The nobles that 'could' change into wolves obviously were previous wolves from the original paradise before man was created, however waited for their opportunity to show their form. The nobles weren't explained, because once again, you're supposed to draw something from the show, and understand that the nobles were the ones who came to power. They're sort of like kings over their own provinces. Once again, you're focusing 'far' too much on the basis that they're wolves.

They act like common animals, 'only' as an underlying emotion to their 'very' human emotions. They understand happiness and sadness just like any human would, but they're still more primal, that doesn't mean you can't relate at all. They feel pride like humans, they feel loss, they feel fear, and it's all shown plainly. The only thing that relates to 'instincts' is how they choose where to go.

Also, you didn't read my other posts, the Old Man doesn't randomly go shooting wolves, he did it because he believed they killed his family. He even mentioned of having a feeling of Blue's original heritage. Also, it'd be harder to tell about Blue because she was only half.

You keep talking about plot-holes and bad character development, that I've refuted with facts...where are they? I don't get it, surely if that's the basis for your arguement on why it's 'bad' then you'd have more examples than the ones I've disproven.

You havent disproved anything, you assume to much and i read your post which was a bunch of garbage as far as a decent argument goes- Yeah-- hes hunting wolves for a reason-- still the only thing he does now is just that- he kills wolves-- maybe your thinking about it too deaply out of a wish that it wasnt as bad as i say it is- its a poor excuse for an anime from that studio-- i already explained the plot holes-- maybe you dont know what a plot hole is though. The idea that this show has a deeper meaning is laughable-- you think about anything for too long and you will come to some "great meaning"-- want to examine what happened at the dentist office? Maybe you can see how the cleaning of the teeth is like the cleansing of your soul-- give me a break-- they never give you enough information about the nobles to say they are this or that-- for all you know they are aliens that came to earth searching for love :P

I'm not sure I understand. I post counter-arguements to your proposed ones. I form logical paragraphs, it's all set out. Is this not the proper way? Is that the garbage way? "Every" point you have made against the show I have refuted. Is that garbage? Honestly, every single arguement you've come up with, I've given a logical explanation for, so how on earth 'haven't' I defended this show. Everything is concise and to the point, I'm not the one alluding to some knowledge of plot-holes, and I don't go around insulting anyone either.

Heck! I even try to stay in order of your arguements in your lump of sentences to my rebuttals in my paragraphs! Just to make it easy and referenceable!

And "ONCE AGAIN" I never said there was some "deeper meaning", it doesn't require much thinking to figure out half the things you pointed out as "plot holes". I'm getting the feeling you don't read all of my post while I read yours and respond adequately.

You didn't 'explain' the plot holes, you said things about the show that you 'thought' were plot holes that I promptly filled in for you, oh, for example, how you said the ending wasn't explained and how it was some huge plot-hole...and then I explained in the post following 'just' what the ending meant.

Your dentist comment is a poor way to try and throw off the arguement and try to debase what I said. It's called misdirection, and the nobles? Sure they could be aliens, but it wouldn't fit the storyline of the show which I've already pointed out. Do not say I've not done things when I clearly have, do not make accusations of a show when you show no understanding of what it was about.