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I wished John McCain would use my music... I need the exposure. Plus it would totally trip everyone out :P


At the very least it would be hilarious to see someone switch out his "I Believe I Can Fly" soundtrack to "Weird Al's Greatest Hits."


McCain: "Thank you, my friends! My friends, you will always be my friends! Goodnight, my friends!"

Soundtrack: "It's Christmas at ground zero! All the people have run away! What a crazy fluke, we're gonna get nuked on this jolly holiday!"


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And yet, none of these artists ever think to just say "sure, use the song, but send the royalties." ...yet have I to see that mentioned anywhere in any of them.

They could, but they're under no obligation to do so. They have control over who can and cannot use their songs, and if they don't want a candidate they don't support to use their songs, they have every right to not only demand they stop using their music illegally, but to also bring those responsible to court. It doesn't matter whether this was a mistake or not; the law doesn't care if you didn't intend to break it or not, but only if you did. And, in this case, they did. If Obama's campaign has done likewise, then I would hope that whatever artists had their music used illegally would take those responsible to court as well.


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Lookit what I found. If the foofighters go after McCain, can Sam go after Obama?
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Sam Moore of Sam and Dave has objected to Democrat Sen. Barack Obama's campaign using "Soul Man."


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Lookit what I found. If the foofighters go after McCain, can Sam go after Obama?
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Sam Moore of Sam and Dave has objected to Democrat Sen. Barack Obama's campaign using "Soul Man."

Of course. Legally, Obama (or his campaign rather, as Obama himself didn't put the video together, same as McCain) is in the wrong.


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The impression I'm getting from many of these, looking at where the music was played, it's music at the ralleys, with some guy up in the music box, playing whatever is in the library what fits the mood the best.

and a goodly number of the songs being picked on are from the 70's, where someone *might* think they're within public domain. Of course 'my hero" is an exception to the timeline, but is also a common song in many sound libraries.

edit: really, it seems to me that a lot of this is right up there with 'lets have a hissy over our music being used at proms!'

and I'd hate to be the ones to tell them this: but people do not necessarily equate artist endorsement with the music used. I'm still gonna think of the song "baracuda" when I hear the word used as a nick name, and I hear the song "soul man" in my head when I hear those words used. Do I think these artists endorse these candidates? No, but the music fits the situation.


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Kinuki wrote:
Wynni wrote:
[color=indigo]A I would hope that whatever artists had their music used illegally would take those responsible to court as well.


someone agrees. Yes i think that too. The artist should take the people to court...funny thing is...both campaigns tank with lawsuits and then nader would win XD

personally I am insulted by the republican party for doing this three times..and the democrats for doing that however many times (I am a musician myself) (SHOW TOMARROW :D) and I would take people to court for doing that.


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Kinuki wrote:
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Lookit what I found. If the foofighters go after McCain, can Sam go after Obama?
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Sam Moore of Sam and Dave has objected to Democrat Sen. Barack Obama's campaign using "Soul Man."

Of course. Legally, Obama (or his campaign rather, as Obama himself didn't put the video together, same as McCain) is in the wrong.


Lies!! You can't touch the SOUL MAN!! *ba-da-da, ba-na-da-da-da!!*


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How can ANYONE possibly be this anal about something they made? If it were me, I wouldn't be mad in the least.


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How can ANYONE possibly be this anal about something they made? If it were me, I wouldn't be mad in the least.


So if someone stole YOUR work you would not be mad? I know where the Foo Fighter's are comming from since im in a band and i would not want my stuff taken without permission. Think about it that way.


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I think it is totally within their right to be angry, especially if they happen to not support what that person was doing.

I mean if you made a song and the "Murders and Muggers" chapter at your town used it for recruitment, chances are you wouldn't be very happy about it. If they don't support something it is within their right. Or if they'd just to make some money off of their work technically they have the right to that too.


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I think it is totally within their right to be angry, especially if they happen to not support what that person was doing.

I mean if you made a song and the "Murders and Muggers" chapter at your town used it for recruitment, chances are you wouldn't be very happy about it. If they don't support something it is within their right. Or if they'd just to make some money off of their work technically they have the right to that too.



yep. They have the right to by angry or not support McCain and let him use the song. and rofl at the 2nd part.

I also love how McCain uses a song about ordinary people and how extraordinary they are. HOW is McCain an ordinary person. He has money (and something like 9 houses). Bah he tarnishes good lyrics. And as the Foo Fighter's said

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It's frustrating and infuriating that someone who claims to speak for the American people would repeatedly show such little respect for creativity and intellectual property.


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Because it's not McCain personally doing this, but the average Joe putting together song clips for the rally or what not. When was the last time you checked the royalties of the music you used at a party?

If it's in the sound library, you use it, because it's there.


and as I so conveniently found, Obama's campaign has been guilty of the same thing.
Because Avererage joe puts the sound together with the library at his fingertips.


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Because it's not McCain personally doing this, but the average Joe putting together song clips for the rally or what not. When was the last time you checked the royalties of the music you used at a party?

If it's in the sound library, you use it, because it's there.


and as I so conveniently found, Obama's campaign has been guilty of the same thing.
Because Avererage joe puts the sound together with the library at his fingertips.


Haha you are right there. We all have used music without paying royaltys. But there has to be some limit i believe. Yea we all are wrong when we play other band's music at partys and shows without paying royaltys but i think there is a limit...Like if it was me i would not care if a highschool dance played my song because first its obvious they cant afford to pay thousands to play the song ONCE, 2nd its not like I would know that this highschool would be playing my song. Now McCain CAN afford to pay the royaltys to borrow the songs for a few weeks and it was played on his commercials so I can see why the Foo Fighters would get mad. And Obama is at fault to...he should have paid for the song he took. But McCain's and Obama's campaign could have afforded royaly charges so there guilty. And what annoys me...is that the Republican party did this THREE times...I can see the mistake happening once...maybe even twice...but common three times...they have to know there lesson. Even I know that if its something major you ask to borrow the song. Been there done that XD. It would delay the commercial by AT MOST a few days. =\


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It is quite probable that Obama has slipped up more than once. The mainstream medias here in the US, for some odd reason, are more forgiving of his slipups and fubars. You can bet he's played more than "Soul Man" without asking.


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Depending on when and where the instances of infringement occurred, it might be misleading to blame the campaign. Most rallies and the like aren't really put together by the campaign; they're mostly the responsibility of the party branch for that state. So you're almost always dealing with a new set of potential boneheads who aren't necessarily familiar with these cases. It makes it much easier for repeated mistakes to be made. Now, if we're talking about the use of songs in commercials, those (usually) must be reviewed and approved by the campaign, so it's at the very least negligence on their part (at best, they're just getting an ad spot from the ad agency and just rubberstamping it, trusting the agency to have handled everything). It's possible that that is part of their contract with the ad agencies, and the agencies are at fault for not getting license for the songs.

-- huh --
Both sides have run afoul of YouTube pulling videos under the DMCA. McCain's campaign is challenging YouTube, claiming Fair Use and that the companies invoking the DMCA are overreaching their copyright.


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