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 Post subject: Re: The 2008 U.S. Presidential Election
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:47 pm 
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Not terribly surprising in a political climate as corrupt as America's (it's infamous in worldly politics).


Fixed that up a bit.

I never said Obama didn't have connections with that weirdo. I'm saying that connection never was and has never been about terrorist motives. One might say they've played golf with OJ before, plenty of times, but that doesn't mean there were murderous motives there. Same connotation. It's just being blown way out of proportion because McCain is trying to divert as much negative attention away from him as possible so he can win the election. Every senator and big political figure will have dirt in their past, every one. Association with a man who was an idiotic extremist doesn't necessarily mean anything bad at all if there was no ill motives from Obama, which I think is obvious.

In terms of someone using someone else to get ahead...tell me you're not forgetting about McCain selecting Palin as VPN over many, much more qualified people? Not like that had anything to do with raking in scores of female and "Joe-six-pack" voters at all.

Also, I wasn't aware the Palin/secessionist thing was disproved. Her husband is seen many times on their rosters, and Palin is too up until a few years ago when she left the party and became a large political figure. Ayers and the secessionist party and being on lists with Nazi collaborators is all harmless history that I don't think would affect any of these politicians in office. It's all crap made to turn voters opinions. I hate seeing America manipulated like it is.


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 Post subject: Re: The 2008 U.S. Presidential Election
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:57 pm 
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FactCheck.org wrote:
Closet Secessionist?

Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party – which calls for a vote on whether Alaska should secede from the union or remain a state – despite mistaken reports to the contrary. But her husband was a member for years, and she attended at least one party convention, as mayor of the town in which it was held.

The party's chair originally told reporters that Palin had been a member, but the official later retracted that statement. Chairwoman Lynette Clark told the New York Times that false information had been given to her by another member of the party after she first told the Times and others that Palin joined the AIP in 1994. Clark issued an apology on the AIP Web site.

The director of Alaska’s Division of Elections, Gail Fenumiai, confirms that Palin registered to vote in the state for the first time in May 1982 as a Republican and hasn’t changed her party affiliation since. She also told FactCheck.org that Palin’s husband, Todd, was registered with AIP from October 1995 to July 2000, and again from September 2000 until July 2002. (He has since been registered as undeclared.) However, the AIP says Todd Palin "never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time."

There is still some dispute as to whether Sarah Palin also attended the AIP’s 1994 convention, held in Wasilla. Clark and another AIP official told ABC News’ Jake Tapper that both Palins were there. Palin was elected mayor of Wasilla two years later. The McCain campaign says Sarah Palin went to the 2000 AIP convention, also held in Wasilla, “as a courtesy since she was mayor.” As governor, Palin sent a video message to the 2008 convention, which is available on YouTube, and the AIP says she attended in 2006 when she was campaigning.

Source: FactCheck.org

There's not been a debate that Palin's husband was a member of the AIP. However, Palin herself never was.


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 Post subject: Re: The 2008 U.S. Presidential Election
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:27 pm 
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Good, so she wasn't a member, just attended 1-3 rallies - apparently different people have different numbers - of the party with her husband. This helps the point I'm trying to make with Ayers. Should we keep affiliating Palin with that party because her husband was a part of it for a long time, and because she attended (a) convention(s)? I'm glad I can now not think so, and in all fairness the same should be done for Obama, and McCain and his Nazi collaborator ordeal.

However,
"As the AIP's founder, Joe Vogler, told an interviewer in 1991: "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. ... And I won't be buried under their damn flag."

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. could learn from this man." -Rosa Brooks, September 4, 2008 "Palin's Secession Flirtation"

Crap like that. Yeah, Palin was affiliated with that guy, if distantly. Yeah, Obama was affiliated with Ayers, if shortly. I already said I think it's important to look to the past to learn about something or someone. But in none of the cases present do I think it matters at all how the potential leaders would run the country.


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 Post subject: Re: The 2008 U.S. Presidential Election
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:43 pm 
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We find McCain's accusation that Obama "lied" to be groundless. It is true that recently released records show half a dozen or so more meetings between the two men than were previously known, but Obama never denied working with Ayers.

Other claims are seriously misleading. The education project described in the Web ad, far from being "radical," had the support of the Republican governor and was run by a board that included prominent local leaders, including one Republican who has donated $1,500 to McCain's campaign this year. The project is described by Education Week as reflecting "mainstream thinking" about school reform.

Despite the newly released records, there's still no evidence of a deep or strong "friendship" with Ayers, a former radical anti-war protester whose actions in the 1960s and '70s Obama has called "detestable" and "despicable."

Even the description of Ayers as a "terrorist" is a matter of interpretation. Setting off bombs can fairly be described as terrorism even when they are intended to cause only property damage, which is what Ayers has admitted doing in his youth. But for nearly three decades since, Ayers has lived the relatively quiet life of an educator. It would be correct to call him a "former terrorist," and an "unapologetic" one at that. But if McCain means the word "terrorist" to invoke images of 9/11, he's being misleading; Ayers is no Osama bin Laden now, and never was.

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Sen. Hillary Clinton then said, "I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation," and predicted that "this is an issue that certainly Republicans will be raising."

Obama responded, "President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground, which I think is a slightly more significant act than me ... serving on a board with somebody for actions that he did 40 years ago."
the Times wrote:
"[T]he two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers."

^--- this coming from the article that Palin uses as citation.

If you want to read the whole thing everything I quoted is here http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html
I don't think he'd put people like this in his cabinet... he even mentioned a few people he'd have as advisers over 2 of the debates I believe.

It just seems like a bit of a stretch, but I guess in both candidates cases their dirty little associations don't seem to bug that much for some reason *shrug*



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