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Meh, I wouldn't have written it up like that, but Hussein is Obama's middle name.

Though like him or not, enzia, we can and should offer a modicum of respect and tact in for this topic. If we don't we're no better than the worst of the idiots out there. You've seen the t-shirts, you know who I'm talking about. A man's middle name is a silly thing to declare off limits, but it also is a silly thing to try to base a judgement on. It'd be like a particularly clever anti-McCain protester using "John" and relating it to a toilet.

I thought it was rather funny. I heard a rather good one about McCain's name, but hell if I can remember it. And, anyways, it's not as funny, given Obama's middle name (didn't know that; see how much I actually care? =^.^=).

Ehh, respect for apparently getting millions of people to back them, but I still hate politicians. They've got that creepy old guy vibe, especially the young ones... Always the young ones... :D~

Ehh, I'm still voting for Ron Paul. Oh, wait - I'm only 17! I have less rights than an illegal!

Gotta love this world... :roll:

I keep hearing rumors that Ron Paul will drop out. Too bad, since he's the one I would've like to win. Underdogs (Minority parties in general, really) should get a chance.

We're writing him in, if so, and so are a few family friends.

You have no idea how Conservative the town I live in is. Hell, my family leans that way. I don't care, and I'd like to keep te peace, so I take teh side that goes for what almost everybody wants: the rights they deserve. Oh, God, I sounds like a freaking spokesperson...

Point is, appreciate me! I'm taking it in the nether region for peace and love and all that 70's Liberal stuff! And free sex. Gotta live that...

Exactly. Even though it is his middle name, it's disrespectful; as disrespectful as calling President Bush "Dubya," or McCain "Sidney." Because if you don't show respect, then who will? Why should anyone show you respect? It just devolves into an immature pissing contest. And that is NOT what this thread is for.

Thank you, av.

Alright, if we're to continue this thread let it be on actual issues, hmm?
I agree that using a name to inspire negative feels is pretty uncalled for, worse yet people shout out saying "he isn't muslim!" and not "what does that have to do with anything!?" Muslim = terrorist = bad? perhaps we should all rethink that little point. He isn't a muslim, but being one isn't bad either.

Alright actual topics now.
I want to bring up Ayers just because I saw a thing on it and I also want to change the current subject.
Why is it that the McCain campaign is so focused on the fact that he served with this man? Did you also know that the person who put these two people in the same room is a wealthy republican who used to be a diplomat for Reagan and now throws cash and other forms of support to McCain's campaign? I'm interested to see what republicans think. But it seems like the fact that he served on a committee with the man doesn't mean he supports terrorism. If it were a "guilty by association" how would McCain also not be guilty of terrorism by taking money and advice from a person who actually wanted Ayers input?

Of course it makes him guilty. This is America. Everyone's guilty of everything that everyone else has ever done.

The reason why McCain's camp is pushing the Ayers connection is Ayer's past history as a founding member of the Weather Underground, which bombed the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol back in the 60's/70's.

I know Ayers story but why does Obama's association with him make him a terrorist? A huge McCain supporter/adviser is the guy who brought them together and wanted both their input, so why isn't that a big deal? If you were a terrorist and I was talking with you in this thread does that make me a terrorist? Does being in the same room with someone make them a terrorist?

Not to mention the fact that when Ayers was doing his most famous work when Obama was 8 years old, and since then Ayers has even received a "Citizen of the year award" and retains a position as a professor. So what makes this association so bad that doesn't also reflect on the other campaign? They are both about as equally related to the man.

Another thing Obama's getting slammed by is Joe the Plumber. Recently Obama was asked by a plumber about how Obama would tax his success because he is making 250,000/yr.
BHO: "I want to make sure everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance at success too."
JTP: (Looks like he's gonna shove the mic up Obama's butt)

I'm pretty sure we're all intelligent and informed enough to know about Ayers and Joe the Plumber. Please stop assuming we don't keep up with the news, and instead post something of actual value, like a non-inflammatory opinion, discussion, etc.

If anyone here really thinks Obama has any terrorist motives, hidden or not, they probably need a lobotomy. People do not make it that far in government, or very far anywhere, with terrorist motives. Does not happen, do not try and make any arguments to support it, it is impossible. You cannot possibly imagine the size of the microscope someone like Obama has been under for years. His connection to Ayers is completely void when speaking in the context of something like this.

But I did like how since the McCain keeps pushing the stupid Ayers issue, MSNBC came up with dirt about how McCain was on the same meeting lists as Nazi collaborators back in the day (with photographic evidence), and how Palin was once a supporting member of an Alaskan secessionist society. Even went to an Alaskan secessionist meeting and spoke there about how she was in favor of Alaska seceeding and how she knew Alaska would make it just fine on it's own.

I don't normally like MSNBC because of how biased they are. But I am in favor of the "well-if-you're-going-to-throw-stupid-dirt-around-so-will-we" game. It's hilarious to watch the mudslingers get flabbergasted when someone slings it back at them.

I was under the impression that the Palin/Alaskan Secessionist Party stuff was debunked long ago, much like the ridiculous garbage concerning Obama's birth certificate.

The problem with Ayers is that Obama allied himself politically to Ayers in order to advance his career. Not terribly surprising in a political climate as corrupt as Chicago's (it's infamous in American politics). And honestly, one unrepentant terrorist (Ayers is on the record for saying that the only thing he regrets was "not doing more") in a list of political allies wouldn't be quite so bad, if Ayers were alone. The thing that bothers me is that Ayers is just one of many. Obama has had a lot of close political allies, ones he's carefully chosen for maximum effect, who are among people that ordinary folks wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Bringing Ayers to the forefront is nothing more than cherry picking one of the most flagrantly obvious examples. The entire decision to point out the Ayers connection is to highlight that if Obama is allying himself with people like this, he's either willing to associate with anyone in order to get ahead, no matter who they are or what they believe (and, in general, convince them that he thinks the same way that they do), or he's a terrible judge of character. It's thanks to these political alliances that many conservatives, including myself, wish McCain would declare his thoughts on Cabinet members, to put pressure on Obama to do the same -- we're concerned about the people Obama might choose to surround himself with, and we'd like to have some idea what to expect, beyond our worst imaginings.