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 Post subject: Narane's sketchbook +maybe NSFW (Aug. 3, 2008)
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:24 pm 
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In reluctance for bringing back an old thread of mine and having to triple-post, here's another.
This here is my first thread, and this here is my second thread; I have to say, I don't think I ever got enough critiques here. Make me hate you, by saying about what's wrong with the picture. 8)
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Again, I'm looking for critiques; now mainly on colouring, not the line art, though anything's welcome. I can't really make that specific picture better (since my original PSD is toasted), but I'll note it for future reference.
Thanks, anyways. :P


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:53 pm 
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Well, it looks like at least some of our number post comment on your DA too. ;)

I really love her eyes, Narane. It's a gorgeous orange. Is that supposed to be a collar around her neck? If so, you might want to consider differentiating its color a bit more next time around. It's tough to tell that's what it's supposed to be, especially with the texture blurring some of the lines. A few of the highlights on the right side of her head (left side of the picture) seem inconsistent with the rest of the lighting direction to me, but I'm sure as heck no expert with that sort of thing. I guess I don't know your aim here either, but I might suggest adding another shade between the pink and the purple too. Some of the stronger pink sections really stand out (particularly on the lower abdomen ;)), maybe more strongly than you intended. The one comment on the line art I really want to make is that her right elbow looks odd. Like the forearm bulks up too quickly or there's not enough substance to the elbow itself (bicep narrows too much). Not totally sure what to do with it though.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:03 pm 
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alooooottt better than mine....... so I wouldnt be able to critic seeing as I have NO drawing skill.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:40 pm 
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@Avwolf: See, this is what I need. You say you're not an expert, but heck, you're making helpful feedbacks anyways.

avwolf wrote:
Is that supposed to be a collar around her neck? If so, you might want to consider differentiating its color a bit more next time around.

Ah, I think it'd work out somewhat if the collar was the same colour as her eyes. Features standing out, got it.

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A few of the highlights on the right side of her head (left side of the picture) seem inconsistent with the rest of the lighting direction to me

Well, the lower jaw could have used a little more darkening, but I think that's about it there.

avwolf wrote:
I might suggest adding another shade between the pink and the purple too.

Hmm? The pink came out as a result of brightening the purple (effect of a little Color Dodge + Overlay). I don't know what colour I could fit in between without disrupting the smooth gradient. :?


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 Post subject: Re: Narane's sketchbook +maybe NSFW
PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:03 am 
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Narane wrote:
Make me hate you, by saying about what's wrong with the picture. 8)

Sexy overload.

(And what Av said: Eyes are beautiful, collar looks like skin flap, arm looks a bit off... but the colouring is great and the rest of the proportions look about right)


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Narane wrote:
avwolf wrote:
A few of the highlights on the right side of her head (left side of the picture) seem inconsistent with the rest of the lighting direction to me

Well, the lower jaw could have used a little more darkening, but I think that's about it there.

Ah, I wasn't precise. I was actually referring to some of the highlighting on her hair on that side of her head, actually. It picks up a couple places of highlight that seem somewhat inconsistent with the rest of the lighting, and parts of it don't seem shaded enough, but I have no ability in maintaining sourced lighting conditions, so I might be totally off the mark.

Narane wrote:
avwolf wrote:
I might suggest adding another shade between the pink and the purple too.

Hmm? The pink came out as a result of brightening the purple (effect of a little Color Dodge + Overlay). I don't know what colour I could fit in between without disrupting the smooth gradient. :?

Ah! Okay. Then maybe another layer at the border where either the dodge or the overlay isn't as intense? Maybe? There's nothing wrong with it as-is, really, it's just very eye-catching. That might be your intent, or it might simply be the way things work; I know just enough about Photoshop to understand what you said, but not enough to know how to apply it any better than you have here.

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collar looks like skin flap

Either that or the collar of a mock turtleneck, which was my first impulse. But since she's obviously not wearing a shirt in the picture, it's clearly not that.

She does really look fantastic, Narane.


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I've certainly dropped out of doing a lot of art, but I guess I can give critiquing a shot again. Bear with me, I'm a bit rusty at this art stuff still. :lol:

I know some people just absolutely hate to see those PS textures used. I guess I could understand using it on the body, though I would turn down the opacity more so it doesn't stand out, but it's unnecessary for the hair. Also, if you're going to use a texture make sure that the highlights fit. The texture used is like cloth/fur, but her boobs are highlighted as if they were plastic with the fur/cloth texture not very far away.

I'd also say change the line color gradually instead of going from light gray to black (just north of the belly button). If you were changing from skin to clothing, a sudden change is okay but this is all fur.

I guess you could say the face is inconsistently highlighted when compared to the rest of the body. The same intense light should hit her face and ears as well. I mean, there is light hitting that back eye, it probably shouldn't be so dark.


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chibi wrote:
but her boobs are highlighted as if they were plastic with the fur/cloth texture not very far away.

I was quite aware of the downside of using the highlight, but it just seems better to me that it's there.

chibi wrote:
I'd also say change the line color gradually instead of going from light gray to black (just north of the belly button). If you were changing from skin to clothing, a sudden change is okay but this is all fur.

Ahh, oops, I notice that mistake now. I guess I forgot to go over that part of the line.

chibi wrote:
light hitting that back eye

About that... the eyes are supposed to be almost "glowing"; ie. have its own light source.


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There isn't much that I can say that hasn't already been said, but I must say the head looks to me like it's twisted around just a little too far. It really is wonderfully done, though. It's likely your best work yet.

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Sable Dove wrote:
There isn't much that I can say that hasn't already been said, but I must say the head looks to me like it's twisted around just a little too far.

Ah, it would seem so that way, seeing the perspective. Given that the body is laying almost flat on the ground, and since both eyes can be seen, it can be determined that the head is turned less than 90 degrees, which is a comfortable enough pose.

Sable Dove wrote:
It really is wonderfully done, though. It's likely your best work yet.

∑:∂≤

Thanks much. :wink:

EDIT: I fixed some things that I thought it needed fixing. It should look slightly better, I guess.


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Wow, that's actually impressive. I don't think you could stick it as NC-17 though if you're on this forum. Lack of any actual ~details~ leaves you in the clear.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:32 pm 
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Ahh, here's a sketch. I know the focus of this picture is too far away from the center, but I'd have to add more pictures on top-right to fix that, and I don't want to fix a sketch.

So, anything majorly wrong with it? :) I'm mainly looking for mistakes on the line art, not the shading.


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God damnit, why does evrryone have to be so much better than me?

Anyway, it looks nice, but I'm a little confuced as to what they are going. Things look proportionate at least. But i can't talk about muh else since I'm not sure what is going on. Oh well.


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TheSpiffman wrote:
but I'm a little confuced as to what they are going.


That would be the problem with moving the center of attention AWAY from the CENTER.

See where the colour is, guess what it is, and then see the expressions on the characters. You might get a LITTLE idea... but seriously, I think it needs a description.


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Looks to me they are smoking weed and 'exploring'


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