Homosexuality and Modern Life v.2

Kinuki · **Posted:** Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:59 pm

Ok guys, let's try this again. Please make sure your post is at least tangentially related to the topic.

Mods, please PM me if you feel the topic is becoming off-topic; last time, this thread was deleted without warning, and though that may have been an accident, the fact that it was considered off-topic was something that I didn't agree with as the topic at the time, STDs and safe sex, were both within the boundaries of the topic as I saw it, since both topics are very relevant to the gay community. This way, if you believe that the topic is straying too far while I might not have, I am given warning to this fact so that I can get the topic back on track. Thank you.

To start off, I personally love some of the comments I saw on a gay pride PSP theme someone made. They ran the gamut from death wishes and people wishing for a modern-day Holocaust of gays to vulgarities that included every possible obscenity and derogatory word that's ever existed about gay people.

You know, things like these comments:

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"Wow that is so not cool, gay people dont have any rights nor should they have pride. all gay people can go to hell,...my bad they are going to hell. bummer"

"i think u ppl r sick and perverted and i hope u have aids!"

"gays suck
its all about lesbians
god will deal with all gays when it comes time
it is against the bible that people are gay. god did not intend that there be gay. thats why he made adam and eve. not adam and steve."

"i hope ur dads beat the **** out of u when u come out of the closet. i hope he beets u worse than he beets ur mom. i hope u feel rejected from ur family and friends when they find out ur gay. a strait guy blasted a queer in the head when he found out that that queer was gonna ask the strait guy to be his valentine. hope that gives u something to think about!!!!!!!"

"ur not born gay. u decide to be gay on ur own. (making it unatural) u cant deal with the little stress i ur "messed up lives." So u like [censored], to cope with the stress. and yes gays do have equal rights... sadly thats our forefathers faults. They didnt know how disgusting socity would get."

"Personally, I hate the [censored] [censored] out of gay people. It just aint right to have a **** shoved up your [censored]. I'd much rather **** a horse (female of course) than be gay. Now I'm not going to [censored] exterminate them or anything, but maybe they (gays) should go petition « [Lol, It's got 'petit' in it a.k.a. *****.]» for a country specifically designed for gay people so no-one can [censored] anymore. STRAIT POWA-Best summed up as it was Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve."

"I WANT ALL STRAIGHT PEOPLE TO ROUND UP THE GAYS AND ETERMINATE THEM!"

"Gays choose to be gay thats why they're not gay because they're all going hell (the third time I used gay I mean happy) God didn't create gays He gave us free will and it says in the Bible not to be homosexual so sorry no gays in heaven"

And you get the idea. :)

Apparently, in the aftermath of that "two men kissing is more offensive than a severed head" pol that came up on a video game site (prompting the founder to post a "WTF?" in his own blog), a lot of people keep reiterating two things:

Being gay is a choice
Lesbians = OK, Gay Guys = Disgusting

Just how prevalent are these attitudes? I know #2 is very, very prevalent, but is the first that prevalent as well? What do you guys think, choice or not?

EDIT -- Removed a quote I felt contained too many uses of derogatory words towards gays; didn't want to risk crossing the obscenity line.

Keldoth Wolfram Dekel · **Posted:** Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:06 pm

God I'd love to hate the people who posted on that.
It would truly mean the world to me, just to be able to point at them and say "You are the worst trash humanity has ever dragged into existence". But I can't. Because if I accept that then I'm like them, only a lot less bad. But still like them in that I accept a belief of opinion or sexuality or race to be a way in which you can tell what kind of person they are.
*Sigh*
As to the last two, as a straight man, I will that to number 1, yes, many of us like lesbians. As to the second, for me it just makes me think its nice they found someone who makes them happy.

The reason people like the bigots think lesbians are fine is that they think with their penis, not their mind in this case.

Graham · **Posted:** Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:20 pm

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ur not born gay. u decide to be gay on ur own. (making it unatural)

I'm sure this guy is a real genius when it comes to biopsychology. He must have spent ten years in Yale studying how the brain develops in the pre-natal phase to deduce that you're certainly not born with homosexual tendencies; that it's socially induced and nothing more than an individual choice. I'm so glad, he finally cleared up the generations-old Nature vs. Nurture debate all by himself! What thousands of psychologists with doctoral degrees couldn't decide on for decades he finally solved for us!

I'm still waiting for him to post his 80 page thesis laying out the proof he found here. It will get him his Doctorate degree for sure, a breakthrough like that. When he posts it, will you let me know Kinuki?

Flying Cats (Ion) · **Posted:** Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:25 pm

True...True... to wolfman
Gays are people too, just not socially acceptible (to the bulk of us) today.

My puzzle is, what do men see in dach other to degrade themselfs to what they do?
It baffles me... Anyone KNOW a gay guy they could ask? (from safe distance)

And for the lez kool gey ew, thats mostly for us. Usually opposite for females. (but Ive yet to meet a girl that likes gay. (aka Yaoi)

Tigeress · **Posted:** Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:54 pm

I'm actually Bi. and my best friend is a gay guy.

I find it's all to do with what you find to be attractive and what you feel comfortable with. With me, I find I like dating males more because I like to be protected, but I find females fun and really quite attractive.

My best friend finds that he is not at all attracted to females. They don't disgust him, he just has no interest in them. So if he was trying to satisfy them, he would fail, thus making him miserable. He can't be something he is not. He is a wonderful person and he quite enjoys his life as it is. His family accepted his recent coming out really well and he has never had any issues with being gay. His boyfriend has though.. a couple of times he has been hit or spat on because he was gay. He just puts these moments behind him, because a little bruise or spit can't change who he is.

Sable Dove · **Posted:** Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:57 pm

Post deleted. It is quite possible to discuss the topic without bringing offensive views on religion into it. ~Yash

FastChapter · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:16 am

Sable Dove wrote:

Post deleted. It is quite possible to discuss the topic without bringing offensive views on religion into it. ~Yash

I can only imagine what that said.

Anyhoo... what the hell? Lesbians are acceptable but gays aren't? Bullcrap. They're basing their social perspective solely on what gets their rocks off, and not what drives the relationships. If you're against gay rights because of your religious views, that's up to you. If you're against half of gay rights because you can't get a hard-on to two guys, but you can to two women, get a life.

People need to get past the "omg its gross because its different" factor and figure out how to make a decision without ~social norms~ getting in the way. Not too long ago it was "gross" for mixed races to have relationships, and now people are being belittled for being *against* it. God I can't wait to see the day gay families get that kind of support.

Graham · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:26 am

He just didn't believe in organized religion. A lot of people swing that way, a lot of them devoutly religious. Not that offensive of a view, in my opinion O_o

But what do I know, I support gay equality, so apparently I'm going to hell too =D Kegger down there, be there or be square.

TheSpiffman · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:35 am

Oh ho ho… Those little excerpts made me giggle. What wonderfully circuitous hate filled diatribes. I particularly enjoyed the one that kept using the word gay in its two different meanings interchangeably, making his point nearly undistinguishable from the miss mash of words. Oh it is such a treat to listen to stupid people talk about things. Hilarious! It’s times like this I wish I had gay friends so we could get together and laugh (I know only one openly gay person is relatively close proximity to me, but we are bitter enemies)

I could never understand the attraction some men have to lesbians. Perhaps it’s just me, but that always seems like a very obvious statement of “this woman will never have sex with you” How is that arousing? Come to think of it, where does the word lesbian come from? It seems a little cumbersome to me. Lesbian just doesn’t have that roll off the tongue quality homosexual has. And why do female homosexuals get a exclusive word? Disappointing really, the rampant sexism.

FastChapter · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:38 am

More than likely Yash didn't want the topic deviating from its intended focus into angry rants about religion.

MeaCulpa, S.C.M. · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:39 am

BLARG: Mozilla Firefox crashed after I was about to hit the reply button with a roughly five page post.

To the topic at hand, though;

I am a Christian, so my stance is already known, so there is little to be achieved in stating it. Instead, I will say what I make of the situation.

I say to homosexuals and proponents to their causes everywhere- be the change you want to see in the world. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve to see that change. Let me say that again. Any people who respond with equal vehemency to the accusations of their offenders -homosexuals included- will not be socially accepted and do not deserve to be. Reject first the ill-hearted one in your midst before attacking those on the other side. Those who accept evil words and, in kinder words, ask on what the opinions of those who have flung such accusations are based, and then -but only if the other is willing to hear- gives their side of the story, will be far better received. If others wish to turn it into a war between the Bible and homosexuals, then let them do so without any aid from yourself. When someone shows love, kindness, justice, wisdom, all of the above- people have historically been converted to their cause, if not immediately, than over time.

You may ask why I, who believe homosexuality a sin, would give advice on how to spread a worldview that deems otherwise. My answer is simple- my religion isn't about the sins I hate, it's about the God I love. There is nothing wrong with one showing kindness to others. If you love those who hate you, then it will be a victory for God, not a defeat.

And perhaps say that to your offenders next time, and maybe then they will open their ears to you. Granted, many will not- but none will at all if you simply attack them. In what war has shooting at someone made them wish to betray their own and join yours?

That is the end of my statement. Christ be with you all,
~(\/).(.~

TheSpiffman · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:47 am

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and the fact that chivalry spawned from an essentially Christian culture

OK, I don't really know what was in that post, But I just want to say the whole of chivalry (I.e. the knightly code thingy) is Obey your lord, Obey the church, Kill whoever they tell you to, and don't be a douche unless it counteracts those other ones(essentially)

So it did come from a predominately christian culture, but Bushido came from a buddhist culture. I wondering what this all means exactly

MeaCulpa, S.C.M. · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:50 am

TheSpiffman wrote:

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and the fact that chivalry spawned from an essentially Christian culture

OK, I don't really know what was in that post, But I just want to say the whole of chivalry (I.e. the knightly code thingy) is Obey your lord, Obey the church, Kill whoever they tell you to, and don't be a douche unless it counteracts those other ones(essentially)

That's off topic anyways, I would happily discuss it with you in via PM if you prefer. In retrospect, I should probably delete that part of my post, as it has to do with another post that was deleted for good reason.

FastChapter · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:51 am

*blink* My disagreement with your stance on homosexuality is clashing with your obvious knack for logical thinking!! MY EARS BLEED!!

Well, it's refreshing to at least see someone from the other side of the playing field refrain from going on a hate-filled rant about how we're all evil and going to Hell. Freaking-A, glad to see that frame of mind is still alive and ticking. Pat on the back for you, person I don't know!

Beyond that, I'm not entirely sure what you're referencing when you say people who respond with equal vehemency to the accusations of their offenders will not be socially accepted and do not deserve to be... long sentence... this throws me. Am I missing some kind of headline where homosexuals are getting together in angry mobs and pillaging the straights? I'm all for us being pissed off at the people who try to demean us in society, but I'm unaware of any Pink Panther activist groups.

Also, I have dibs on the group name, Pink Panthers. :3

I can see this discussion sliding towards the inevitable Religion vs. Gay stream already. Fairly inevitable, seeing as the controversy is a part of current events.

MeaCulpa, S.C.M. · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:00 am

fastchapter wrote:

Beyond that, I'm not entirely sure what you're referencing when you say people who respond with equal vehemency to the accusations of their offenders will not be socially accepted and do not deserve to be... long sentence... this throws me. Am I missing some kind of headline where homosexuals are getting together in angry mobs and pillaging the streets? I'm all for us being pissed off at the people who try to demean us in society, but I'm unaware of any Pink Panther activist groups.

I don't really think there needs to be a reference, it's sound advice besides. (obviously with certain exception) And it's not a stretched conclusion to say that if someone gets hit, they want to hit back. (But if the words "Christian" and "facism" are placed next to each other in this thread, assume that's the person I'm referencing and go from there.)

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