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Haha... Man I finally decided to look it up online- and wow theres a lot of debates on this one, and theres a massive hole in the whole argument- but lets see if y'all know about it- and hopefully just have a bunch of fun thinking about it. Dont worry about setting aside your fandom- in the end it wont matter really. Heres the Key things -
Warp Drive vs Hyper Drive
Enterprise vs Star Destoryer
Fighters Vs No Fighters
Blasters Vs Phasers
Borg Vs Empire
Empire Vs Federation
Is Han Solo right or an idiot?
Captain Kirk Vs. Darth Vader - One on One
Captain Picard vs Darth Vader- commanding a ship

Pick anything or pick em all, each thing can at least entertain us for a bit :P

Theres several biiiig differences between Hyperdrives and Warp drives, and Blasters and Phasers both have some rather large differences too- namely how a blaster for some reason changes from a blast to a circle blast when set to stun. And how Phasers are for some reason more adjustable in settings - from turning someone to dust to being set up to act as a make shift portable force shield...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4

:D

and if I recall, didn't the Romulans have fighters?

Warp Drive vs Hyper Drive - Same
Enterprise vs Star Destoryer - Which Enterprise?
Fighters Vs No Fighters - Hmmmmm...good point. SW space battles are more like WWII sea battles: different-sized ships in convoys, battleships providing big-gun cover while massive carriers provide fighters for closer combat...ST battles are more like WWI sea battles: big ships with big guns trying to outposition each other for killshots. Since WWII > WWI, SW (fighters) wins this one.
Blasters Vs Phasers - Same...except phasers have that handy stun setting...PHASERS
Borg Vs Empire - Oh, puh-lease...Borg for sure - sneak one drone onto the Death Star, and it's all over.
Empire Vs Federation - The Federation from which era?
Is Han Solo right or an idiot? - How does this compare with ST? O.o
Captain Kirk Vs. Darth Vader - One on One - VADER! He just raises his arm and quickly chokes Kirk from 20 yards away.
Captain Picard vs Darth Vader- commanding a ship - VADER AGAIN! Same as with Kirk - he proved in Empire that he could choke someone who was on another ship.

Tally:
Ties: 1
Unrelated questions: 1

Clear votes for ST: 2
Clear votes for SW: 3
Undecided (unsure as to ST era in question): 2

So, SW wins...but ST still has a chance if the undecided votes go their way, i.e., if the ST technology in question is the very best and most advanced that series has to offer - some of the stuff they came up with in Voyager was ridiculously powerful.

(Uhm...of course, since ST takes place in the future in this galaxy, and SW takes place "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....", it would be difficult for any of this to happen...XD)

I'm a total Star Wars fan, so anything from me would probably be baseless nonsense.

warp drives are all at the same speed but the pliot skills and computer are needed to plot a course into space so they wouldn't hit anything, the less turns it makes the fast the ship is, ei why Han brags about the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs (its near a black hole and has to be at least 18 or more)


warp, well warps time and space so it can go faster than light the higher the factor the faster the ship

Star Destoryer, it's made for war while the Enterprise-E isn't

fighters, duh the Japanese learned that one the hard way in WWII

Blasters are super heated plasma, kills by massive heat, phaser is a lazer and can be set anyway you want, kills by burning your atoms

the closest Star Wars has to the Borg is the Yuuzhan Vong

I would have to say Fed, for the first Empire since it doesn't waste all it's money on super weapons that don't work, but the Fel dynasty Empire would be the feds

Solo is a badass

Vader

Picard

Hyper Drive and Warp Drive are very different. The speed for Hyper drive was originally pathetic- but George Lucas didn't know any better (The fastest ship known was the Falcon- which could only go .5 times faster than light. Obviously this is wrong because it didnt take years and years for them to go from Tatooine to Alderan. Realizing this mistake (along with many others) they changed it to being a .5 Class Hyperdrive - the difference? 1.2 million c - while Warp 9 is 1516c (1516 times light speed).

See the difference? SW Hyperdrive went from omg impossibly slow- to OMG WTH?! THATS FREAKN IMPOSSIBLE.

I'm a nerd of both but I think starwars has the advantage in almost every case WALL OF TEXT WARNING FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO LIVE BY THE TOO LONG DIDN'T READ MOTTO

warpdrive vs hyperdrive: they both have their advantages warpdrive seems to be a lot faster to enter into your nav computer while the hyperdrive can get you across a galaxy in days

Enterprise vs Star Destroyer: going to have to go with the star destroyer on this one... for a few reasons: #1 dimensions of an imperial class star destroyer measure 1,600 meters in length or just under a mile (about 400 feet short). Where as the enterprise, while I don't know and couldn't find its actual dimensions you can gauge it by the number of decks and its hangars. (one primary 2 secondary) I'd say the enterprise is probably about 1/3ish the size of any star destroyer (if you go into dreadnaught class star destroyers the enterprises loses for sure since 3 regular star destroyers can fit in one of those babies), not to mention the crew count differences. The enterprise according to Data has about 1000 (close to) crew members, while a star destroyer is closer to 20,000 (its late and I might have this number wrong but it is a big number).

fighters vs. no fighters: sadly I'm going to have to side with Star Wars again on this one, while the enterprise might have actual detonation weapons on its side vs. large ships, (photon torpedoes) a Star Destroyer carriers 72 fighter class ships 2 squadrons of which are probably TIE Bombers. Large bombs + small annoying craft like TIE fighters = a bigger disadvantage to the enterprise (phaser banks might be an advantage here but if you are fighting a star destroyer at the same time 72 extra targets will be a bad thing).

Blasters vs Phasers: hmm this one is a bit of a toss up, blasters seem to be a bit of a one hit kill even in battlearmor but phasers have the ability to disintegrate your target... I'm going to have to go with blasters though just because of the users. Despite what the movies portray, stormtroopers are highly trained marksmen. (many many years at the military academy) Where as the Federation Defense Force (I forget their actual names at the moment but its basically security for the federation) don't wear armor, so even something non-leathal could do serious damage, plus in security school they are trained to be non-leathal first and then escalate as the problem gets worse.... much like police today.

going to stop talking now since I am sure everyone is tired of my walls of text I'll post more about the other topics later but FEAR NOT star trek does win one or two :D

Heres how I would break it down -
Warp Drive vs Hyper Drive

Hyper drive obviously wins when it comes to speed- though it is literally impossible even for this "advanced Technology" for people to have this kinda instant travel- available for practically everyone. Warp is more realistic according to power usage and creation we have predicted at its current increase. This is where SW and ST break. SW is on a Dragon Ball Z power level- while ST is realistic. All the technology is foreseen possible advancements.

Enterprise vs Star Destoryer

This could go any way (assuming its the Enterprise-E). The Star Destroyer is powerful but sluggish at impulse speeds- it does have "blind spots" and weaknesses- Tie Fighters couldnt do crap to the Enterprise and wouldnt stand a chance (Ties have NO shields- making them a prime target for teleporter use - simply remove the Engines and weapons- or the pilots). The Enterprise consists of amazing scanning capabilities- allowing it to detect vital points and determine what to do to make it possible to use the teleporters to simply put photon torpedoes inside vital areas.

However- if the Star Destroyer managed to get a volley off and actually strike the enterprise-- its hard to say if it would survive because- as said before- SW's power scale is ridiculously over powered.

Fighters Vs No Fighters

I think ST did have someone using fighters- but it was kinda pointless as Phasers are so accurate they easily strike down even small fast moving objects and anything as small as a shuttle craft cannot stand up against their firepower. In ST- fighters are basically useless- and I think they are nearly as useless in SW with one exception- the trench from Episode 4. Other than that- the only reason you need fighters is to fight other fighters - but that means they basically cancel each other out.

Blasters Vs Phasers

Phasers have more uses and are far more accurate. But they both have the same use. Blasters however make more noise and use a lot more powerful and only have 2 settings

Borg Vs Empire

The Borg are many, the Borg are endless, Resistance is Futile, We will add your distinctiveness to our own. The borg would quickly consume the Empire. After taking over a few ships- they would have all they need to quickly take over a larger ship- and soon enough would achieve the same power level- and improve it, basically turning the already ridiculously powerful weapons and such from SWs into a streamlined working machine that includes everything else from each world.

Empire Vs Federation

Same as the Enterprise Vs a Star Destroyer- but on a much larger scale- but the federation would be smarter and probably adapt the tech and catch up with the power scale.

Is Han Solo right or an idiot?

I figured people wouldn't see this - Han has many quotes in episode 4 that make him look like an idiot- and after it happened- and these problems were pointed out - George Lucas makes up a bunch of crap to fix it. Han said the falcon goes .5 past light speed- not that his hyperdrive is class .5- no matter how they twist it - that was a stupid move- he should have said "I'll have you from here to Alderan in a day or two" - but nope- he basically said "We really have no idea how far away stars are..." -- Then there was the comment on "finishing the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs" - Kessel hadnt be defined- it was an error covered up once people started saying "... Parsecs is a measurement of distance not time." So they found a way around it- they made Kessel also have all these strange anomalies and black holes around it so distance was a point of Navigation, still says very little about its speed.

Captain Kirk Vs. Darth Vader - One on One

Kirk - ok not really - its true - Darth Vader would cut him down- block Phaser Blasts - and use the force- its not a fair fight at all.

Captain Picard vs Darth Vader- commanding a ship

Picard of course. He's a real commander- Darth Vader isnt even really a good pilot- what kinda "great pilot" flies any kinda Tie Fighter?


The big problem is - Star Trek is based on reality and the progression of our technology. While Star Wars is the space opera created by a guy who wasn't interested in realism and so they are basically incompatible- however people do this often- there entire sites devoted to "Star Wars Vs Star Trek" and many of them dont care about anything other than that they like one more so its better. If your talking power- SW wins, if you are talking about technology - even though hyper drive is faster- still - ST has more and better.

They aren't compatible though.

Warp Drive vs Hyper Drive - Incompatible tech.

Enterprise vs Star Destroyer - That's incompatible as well, especially since Star Destroyers in the movie were really, really bad compared to later models. The Enterprise would be a hero unit in an RTS game, an Imperial Star Destroyer would just be a run-of-the-mill unit. In fact, Star Destroyers aren't even a single ship. It's just a collective term used for all the different dagger-shaped capital ships seen. Interdictor, Victory, Venator and Imperial-class ships all fall under the term, along with thirty other ships. The Star Destroyers you guys are probably talking about are the Imperial I-class ships.

Later Star Destroyers actually start sporting axial superlasers [Eclipse-class] and all sorts of other rubbish. The different factions keep one upping each other in terms of ships and weaponry, which is why Star Wars has such an extreme technology curve.

That said, Teleporters are one of the reasons why I detest Star Trek.

Fighters Vs No Fighters - The reason Star Wars has fighters is because the fighters are needed to fend off bombers, which have their own escort of fighters to protect them, and so on and so forth. Even if there weren't any bombers to kill, would it be better just to have some fighters as backup anyway? How would Picard kill the Death Star without some fighters? The teleporters? AGAIN?

Also, the Tie fighters get lots of different variants, some even with shields. And nothing beats the screaming of a Tie/ln. Or a fighter swarm.

Blasters Vs Phasers - I'm actually of the opinion that this is quite pointless in the end. If you can kill someone with the first shot you squeeze off, the gun's job is done. ST wins this one because of the following. 'Phasers on full!' Classic.

Borg Vs Empire - I'm giving the Borg this one, because the Empire isn't exactly the most powerful force in the galaxy. Just look at how the Yuuzhan Vong steamrolled over the SW galaxy.

Empire Vs Federation - I'd root for the Empire, since they have the grander schemes.

Is Han Solo right or an idiot? - Han Solo may not be the brightest bulb on the control panel, but he gets the job done.

Captain Kirk Vs. Darth Vader - One on One - Sage is right. It's not even going to last a minute. Unless Kirk cheats and TELEPORTS Lord Vader into space.

Captain Picard vs Darth Vader- Commanding a Ship - Vader isn't really much of a commander. He's great for inspiration (Force Choke), fantastic when on a hunt (Force Sense) and not too shabby a leader (Force Fear), but I think he usually prefers to get into the action rather than watch. Picard wins this one, unless Vader uses a lot of Force Luck.


The best ones. You cannot, CANNOT beat the awesomeness of the Tie/In. It is too awesome. It is a what you would get if you put a Spitfire and a Stuka together and fed the resulting mutant plenty of steroids. It is the essence of coolness, the very- *Sounds of Tie fighter fanboy being hauled off.*

Borg vs. Empire: I too will have to give this one to the borg, their ability to take damage and the fact that you kill one and there are 6 million billon more to take their place. they specialize in defeating organics so unless the Empire thought up something VERY clever with their droids VERY fast it would be no contest.

Empire vs. Federation: The empire.... not even close, When the borg attacked earth the Federation couldn't even field more than 100 ships where as at the peak of the empire they had more than 25,000 commissioned imperial I-class star destroyers and hundreds of the super star destroyers, even if the federation could take 2 to 1 they'd be overwhelmed. EDIT*** class D enterprise comes with a complment of 275 photon torpedoes if you assume they are all this class pretty much every single torpedo has to be a kill shot or they lose

Is Han Solo an Idiot: ehhh, he has his moments. just depends on what he is doing I guess

Captain Kirk vs. Darth Vader like everyone else, the point goes to Vader while I am sure Kirk will have some snide remark before he dies like "I am LAUGHING at your black suit... do you hear me Kahn err >.> vader" he would be cut down.

Captain Picard vs. Darth Vader: ehh this one is a bit of a toss up in my opinion Darth Vader was the only jedi given command of a Capital Class ship because of his talents with command, not to mention the Battle Meditation support of the emperor, but I think Picard is a more think on his feet commander... inconclusive I say Darth Vader's skills in the command super structure are talked about a lot but you never really see him do anything but tell TIE pilots to be his wingmen. heh I agree but that wouldn't defeat Lord Vader unless he followed up with a phaser blast or something... but then again he still has his lightsaber............ Lord Vaders life support suit ftw

They aren't really comparable really, the Empire was designed to be this GIANT huge ships huge guns millions upon millions of troops to control vs the alliance who are basically hobos in bathtubs for spacecraft(meant to be more symbolic of a win). where as the Federation was made to seem more like something we'd have in a century or two... not mile long ships brimming with turbo laser batteries, but modest sizes and moderately armed.


lol... there were some overpowered TIE fighter designs thats for sure, Lord Vaders personal TIE Advance was put into production for the general navy use (it was shielded and more heavily armed) then there is the TIE Defender, the Gun Boat, the Missile Boat etc etc etc

Out of curiosity who is everyones favorite Star trek character and who is their favorite Star Wars character?

Tie's are the crappiest fighters in all of Space type ships - even those with shields- those panels on the side- are supposed to be armor- armor that both hinders your vision and is totally useless since it makes you an easier target and blowing it up still causes you to go flying and blow up. And the other Ties just add more and more of these crappy pieces of "armor".

A-Wings are by far the best design, small, sleek, shielded, fast, lasers and torpedoes, and they actually have hyperdrives.

Teleporter tech rocks - we actually have managed to teleport protons already - so its far from an impossible thing- and actually most shielding would defend against such attacks- however for some reason it doesnt take much to take out the Shields on a Star Destroyer of any class if you know where to strike. Once shields are down- Teleporters rock. They also make it possible to board any ship from a great distance, it makes sense.