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 Post subject: a man avenges a police officers death right on the scene...
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:57 pm 
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thats pretty cool, besides the officer being dead thing. so heres the story. the thing that [censored] me off was that the guy got off on other charges because he was some celebritys cousin. yes thats right cousin. what has the world come to.

/also worth mentioning that the guy was a samatarian.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:55 am 
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Well, I hate to see that happen to an officer but it's good that the moron who shot him didn't get away with it, even if he was killed. The guy had every right to fire and kill the other guy as he was trying to reload, who knows what he'd have done after reloading...well aside from shoot Floyd. I am disgusted that rich folks are held to a different standard than others simply because they have money, but whatever, he got what he deserved. Normally I'd feel bad about a life being taken, but not now.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:23 pm 
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The Article wrote:
Back in 2003, Kenney was convicted of simple assault and resisting arrest for an incident involving McKay.

Where does it say that he got off on other charges?


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:25 pm 
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Well, this may have been able to be resolved without the suspect being killed. If the other man had taken the pepper spray instead, he could have incapacitated the suspect with the pepper spray, but thats beside the point. I may have done the same thing, but he wasn't very bright to put himself between a killer and his escape.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:27 pm 
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That man deserved to die for killing the police officer. I'd have shot him too if I were the one running to the officer's aid. And any court that -wouldn't- have let that man off should be burned down.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:30 pm 
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Then how would you be better than the killer himself? His very act was one of feeling justified to kill for what he wanted, in his case, to get out of trouble, in your case, revenge.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:34 pm 
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Scalfin2000 wrote:
Then how would you be better than the killer himself? His very act was one of feeling justified to kill for what he wanted, in his case, to get out of trouble, in your case, revenge.

I would stand to argue. Moral equivalence in this situation is ridiculous, just like moral equivalence always is. The killer here had already broken the law and signed his own death warrant. Essentially, our citizen merely carried out what was destined, saving the taxpayers of the great state of New Hampshire the cost of keeping our criminal alive on death row for who knows how long. Assuming, of course, that he didn't get killed in a shoot out with the police anyway.

We know already that less violent methods were employed and failed -- if police pepper spray didn't stop this guy, civvie pepper spray wouldn't stand a prayer. The killer just brutally murdered a police officer and is apparently preparing to murder you as well. This isn't a matter of revenge. This is self-defense and the defense of others. Sometimes it becomes necessary to take a life to defend the lives of others, and this situation would fall into that category.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:16 pm 
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I'm not saying the citizen's actions were unwarranted, he used his gun as a threat, I'm saying that you shouldn't go and kill someone back, as Luca Fox would not be in a place to assess the redness of the criminal's blood. He may have panicked because he was blinded. It's dubious, but possible.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:28 pm 
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Scalfin2000 wrote:
I'm not saying the citizen's actions were unwarranted, he used his gun as a threat, I'm saying that you shouldn't go and kill someone back, as Luca Fox would not be in a place to assess the redness of the criminal's blood. He may have panicked because he was blinded. It's dubious, but possible.

Yeah, whihc is why he then went on to run the fallen officer over and shoot him again, right? Blind panic.
Sounds more like malice/rage to me. If you can do that to a guy, you can do it to someone else and you deserve to be taken down. Pronto.
Like a rabid dog. Would you shoot a rabid dog on the spot, or merely incapacitate him for the vets to deside if he should be put down?


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Hey, you're the one who advises running up and shooting a man.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:35 pm 
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Scalfin2000 wrote:
Hey, you're the one who advises running up and shooting a man.

If the man is violently attacking a police officer, yes, I advise shooting him. The jerkwad is obviously a menace to society if he shoots an officer multiple times and then runs him over.
I'm not talking shooting your run of the mill purse snatcher, I'm talking about a violent sociopath who brutally murdered someone right in front of you and might get away to rampage some more.
You have a gun with you, are you willing to risk his escape and have him kill again when confronted by the police once more?
I'm not willing to gamble with other's lives.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:19 pm 
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Are you an idiot, Scalfin? It's not just shooting him. The man tried to diffuse the situation without shooting him but the moron tried to reload his own gun. I have an idea. Let's let the criminal who has already shot and run over a policeman reload his gun. Rather than, you know, give him a chance to give up and shoot him if he doesn't. It's genius!


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You know, there's this new thing. It's called reading.
Scalfin2000 wrote:
I'm not saying the citizen's actions were unwarranted, he used his gun as a threat, I'm saying that you shouldn't go and kill someone back


And the running over could have been part of the escape. While I seriously doubt that this was a panic, we have a concept called innocent until proven guilty that makes us better that a mob of despots.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:05 am 
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State Attorney General Kelly Ayotte said a passer-by, Gregory Floyd, 49, witnessed the incident and rushed to the officer's aid. Investigators say Floyd grabbed McKay's gun and ordered Kenney to drop his weapon. According to Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeff Strelzin, Floyd fatally shot Kenney when he tried to reload his gun.
Actually, reading has been around for thousands of years. Maybe you didn't know because you only recently started doing it. This wasn't revenge if that's what you're saying. No one said revenge is alright or was even what I was talking about.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:02 pm 
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Luca Fox wrote:
That man deserved to die for killing the police officer. I'd have shot him too if I were the one running to the officer's aid.


This sounds like a revenge killing to me. Now go back to the post you just responded to and look at where I contrast this quote with Floyd's actions.

See the difference? Floyd: used the gun in an attempt to subdue the killer. You: Run up, grab the gun, and blast his brains out.


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