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Hey Tom, me and my friends love 2kinds, and we can`t wait for each new
update :3 it`d an honor to give you some help on the book.

1`st: There should be some indication of time, when i was first read the
comics, i thought it was set in a medevil like time frame, but then the first
templar tower change that because of how futuristic they look. Don`t get
me wrong, i bileve the two work well together, but a time frame would be
nice :3.

2`nd: in another thread, you asked if the remake of the first chapter
should stat identicle, save for better art, etc, or if it should have other
changes. I bileve it should have a few changes, It would be nice to know
what kind of past that Trace and Flora had before the beginning of the
comic, the fact that he knew her name from the start was a little
confusing.

From what i get, Trace was an evil character in his past, and it`s ovbvious
he hated keidrans. But the question that has yet to be awnsered is, Why?
why does he hate them so much. I think it would be a good idea to dig
more into Trace`s past in the prologue.

erm that seems to be all i can think of at the moment, ^^;; sorry.. i hope
that these help in some way.

A Time frame is not needed because It isn't earth and it is obviously a fantasy historical setting (swords and sorcery). The towers are created with magic which explains how they look out of place and "futuristic".

The Past of Flora and Trace is better left unknown at the begining like most books. You learn as you go. It is a writer no no to start with a characters history and THEN move into the story. It's a childish idea that you should start with history since it came first... thats actually boring...

Parts of the reason for why Trace was evil have been answered over and over again. Since you claim it doesnt answer why It tells me either you havent finished reading the comic or you failed to actually read the comic.

1- His former Wife was killed by a Keidran.
2- He uses black mana for some of his spells (the reason they don't use black mana is because it makes people go crazy...)
3- After being on the edge for a while Trace became power hungry and took what he wanted by force.

ive read the comic`s, thank you very much.. i suppose some parts i didn`t
understand aswell as i thought, but did you have to pick apart my ideas?
i was only trying to help -.- no need to be a jerk about it...

Look. Everything I said is easy enough for anyone here to know or was printed plain as day over several comics. How you missed them boggles the mind.

A time frame only works if it is on earth. It could be the year 2006 in the twokinds world- does that mean they have computers? No. You know why? It's pretty obvious- it is 2006 "Twokinds Time" that might be 2006 years after the world was created and humans showed up in 1550. None of that helps anyone and what would make you think it takes place in a future setting? If you think before you say something you can avoid me drilling your "ideas" that aren't necessary.

Towers that are black with red glowing things do not mean they are from the future. Why would you even think such a thing? They are throwing around fireballs and moving things with magic often and you think they can't apply that to anything else?

Then you want to suggest screwing up the story by throwing bad writing techniques into the story. Wow.

And you want to say that Tom doesn't explain anything when he shows often comic after comic.

Suggest stupid things and expect people to be honest with you.

Next time you can pick it apart yourself before posting it and avoid this.

Know what your talking about and respect the opinions of those who know more about it than you do.
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With that said welcome to the forum - I don't hate you yet so don't give me a reason to and we wont have a problem.

Sorry if you think I'm being a jerk but me telling you why your ideas aren't all that great will prevent you from continuing with them and end up making yourself look like an idiot when you talk to people that are experienced in this.

It is one's opinion that makes the world great, if they want to make an idiot out of themselves, I say let them. If they want to post stupid ideas on the board? let them, Don't burn a newbie just becuse he's new, Burn an oldbie for a stupid post, And don't stuff someones opinons just becuse you do not agree with them, Everyone has there own live's and opinon's, and people gotta learn to deal with that, no one's perfect, no one's special. and it's best not to act like you are no matter how much or little power you have, just my two cent's.

First of all, i could care less what you or anyone else on this forum thinks
about me, theres no way you can make everyone like you. I came here
because i liked the comics, and yes i admit some of the stuff i missed was
clear to anyone. Second, why are you repeating yoruself? you already
told me once before in your previous post why my ideas were bad, but i
still don`t think i deserved such harsh critisism.

But whatever, your the mod here, dispite what i think or say, it boils down
to nothing. Tom asked for help and good or bad i threw mine out there,
thats all that matters to me. Block me ban my id, whatever.

You know Sage, in another forum that I'm on, a post like that would get you banned.

I'm not saying that Sage is wrong - he is right, brutally correct - but insinuating that someone new is "childish" and idiotic is not a welcome.



Sometimes, you have to read it multiple times or be a very good reader to pick up everything.

As far as the time frame goes, it's not taking place on Earth, so the dates would be different nad not the same as here, although I think it's fairly safe to say it is a medieval society.

The towers were made with magic, and thus are cool-looking. :P

Most writers choose different writing strategies than you. I think Tom was trying to create an air of mystery to keep the reader's interest in the story. I personally prefer it the way it is.

All of the info is in the comics, but you might have to really absorb it or re-read it to get the best understanding.

Your input is welcome, although I don't agree with it.

If you need any more help, ask for it from one of the more senior members, who could help you understand the story.

Welcome to the forum!

(If you re-read it and remember more about the story, you will look better on the forum!)




See the difference? I said the same things without taking such a condecending tone.
Sage, I know you are just trying to be strict, but that doesn't imply that you have to be mean as well. After reading your post, how does the new member feel?
Certainly not welcome.
Again, I completely agree with everything Sage said, but not the way in which he said it.

Yeah im mean- but notice I didnt call him childish or anthing like that-- i called the idea childish and I explained it. Also I didnt call him idiotic i said he can avoid to look like an idiot...

If you don't understand something you should try to understand before stating "facts" that are falsehoods. Now let me remind you before you start saying "its an opinion!" - Opinions start with things like "I think" not "There is no" or "It should be this" -- Now some of the things he said were opinions, but they were not taking into account why it was done the way it was at first. What is the point of giving you the history of a character you just met when he doesn't know it himself? It is more fun for the reader to learn as the character learns, not like reading a book from back to front.

Now I'll say it- Im sorry if you think I'm being a jerk. But other that you have to understand I can't be the nice guy all the time and explain it to you like a teacher would. The quickest way to to lay it out in a way you will read and understand it- and your reaction shouldn't be "oh that jerk! He just made me look like an idiot!" it should be "Oh - yeah I didn't see it that way - but I still think MORE history earlier on would help. And you never really see those towers in great detail - at first glance i thought they were radio towers."

And Ma121_Hunter - EVERYONE deserves harsh critisism. If you can't take it then avoid it. But critisism helps you learn and grow- if you dont want it dont put yourself in a possition to get it.


anywho- most of yall know how i deal with things. If you think it isn't fair you take it up with me in a PM. I listen to complaints and so far i've had very few - so either im doing something very right or people really think im so mean i ban anyone that complains... you should noticed only 3-4people have ever been banned from here and more than 50% of them were because someone hacked their accounts and were breaking all the rules...

Wow. Ma121_Hunter, its you're first day and you're already in the soup. congratulations.

Poor guy, trying to help is just so darn hard around here eh?


>_O Yes, EVERYONE deserves that. EVERYONE.

hi im new to the forum but i love the comics they are the best things i have ever read heck there better than books, tv games i check every day and read them all the time. also i think the book should stay the way it is it is great. hope you read this cant wait for the books to come out

from josh :D

Eh... what you're suggesting would deviate too much from the original story if it were re-itterated at the beginning (re-doing the first chapter) Mind you, if it were ever done as a separate project, like a forestory 4 years before the present time of the comic.

Again, if you've read the comics left-right-and centre then you'd know exactly why Trace had such a strong hatred for the Keidrans (as illustrated previously.)

That aside, I would like to see a vicious battle scene unfold in the near future (something involving trebuchets, archers, battle mages, etc.) I remember something about how the Humans' king had been killed, and that the target was the Wolf Clan of the Keidrans. To present, I don't think I've seen anything approaching a skirmish between the near-warring factions.

For forum referancing reasons, please includ the date of each strip in addition to page number. Also, please totally redo pages featuring rarely seen figures so it will be easy to know when and where we've seen a physiognomy before.

My last request is that you keep an eye on quality. I don't want to pay for quality work only to find it's been defiled by being printed on newsprint. My recomendations include bank and bond paper, silk (semi-matte) or matte photo paper (probably too pricey), tracing paper (price unknown, but its manufactur sounds expensive), washi, kenaf paper (I strongly recomend consideration for ideological reasons [environment], though I do not know the pricing), or Reslin.

I kinda skimmed this thread so forgive me for anything that was misunderstood however I agree with Sage.

There is no reason to reinvent the wheel and write a foreword explaining what is explained in the comic. Nobody reads prologues and the such anyway. My personal opinion about prologues is that it's the author explaining that he's such a horrible writer that he can't even properly convey a message in his work so he has to tell you what it means. Either that or they don't think you're smart enough to understand it yourself.


The joys of a fictional world is that you don't need a time frame. Even Gundam uses their own worlds just to avoid such things like that. Each 12 (guessing) series are divided into 3 or 4 universes. In each universe everything corresponds. This is ur universe so you can do whatever you please without respect to modern technological evolution etc. (Think of how Final Fantasy games mostly use swords and archaic weapons, there are knights, No electricity, however they have airships. *Shrugs*)

Also referencing Gundam you could have the series of events that lead to what's going on in terms of politics etc. However most people don't want to bother with it and nobody remembers random facts, but they'll remember character actions and words. So a flashback would work but probably not a historical timeline.

Harsh criticism is something that can be given if the artist has the confidence to continue working afterwards. Constructive criticism is better. Harsh criticism normally makes it hard for me to write because i get into a fit of selfpity and loathing regardless of who says it and I can't get myself to work anymore.

Praugs are a very useful and time-honored contextual tool. Don't believe me? Gilgamesh has one, and look how long it's been around.