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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:55 pm 
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I have made an elental system that can be used in any RP whatsoever..! Here's a hand drawn diagram used to show how it looks.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/ ... ensive.jpg

To better explain this, I will elaborate into what these central elements mean.

Anemo: Many know it for wind or such, but it's reffering to energy and motion in general. It can pretain to wind, electricity, light, and so forth.

Terra: All forms of matter. Be it sediment rocks, metal, or anything thing.

Thermo: Any tempurature based reaction, be it hot or cold. It can make a range of things, like fire, or any cold reaction. I can't really think of such a reaction that doesn't use matter and involve being cold.

Those are always combined to use a certain spell. Like for instance, to cast fire, it requires three things. Heat, fuel, and reaction.

Anemo: Friction of the matter.
Terra: Oxygen being the fuel.
Thermo: Heat at which the fire is held at.

Now for all of this to occur, it requires the energy in the air to draw the oxygen together, thus causing it to condense and cause friction. While the firction increases, so does the heat stemmed from the energy and thus gets to a grade at which fire is produced. Now depending on how powerful the user is determines the magnitude of the spell.

The way how this is measured is through Kataga. There are also two types of Kataga measurment. eK and iK. eK is external Kataga. eK is measurement of Kataga from an external source such as an environment with a high reading of natural energy. Holy grounds of religious signifigance in some religions hold such a power, hence that holy vibe man get at a temple or church.

iK is the measurement of internal Kataga. iK is the energy found within a living being. Every lifeform has Kataga to some degree. An average human cannot tap into kataga and demonstrate it in the form of spells. The average Kataga reading in an average human is 8.0046 iK. A person capable of using Kataga in a spell must have a reading of 12.6003 iK. Though very rare to see it used in a spell, it is possible with that reading. It would be very small and not easily seen. Also it being nearly impossible to summon enough power to use it.

For one to be pro-efficient enough with it to cast an average spell, your reading would have to be at 20.7553 iK.

To increase one's iK, one must build up focus enough to meditate and reflect. After much time doing this, one can actually increase their iK. This is a slow process, but can also depend on the environment at which you're in. The greater the eK in the area, the easier it is to focus or use Kataga.

(More will be explained later in an Edit.)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:59 pm 
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Cool, looks good.

I can't wait for more information about this RP, I'll most likely join!


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This is my opinion, it will sound rude, but I'm being as honest as I can.

I don't like this idea. At all. I always find it annoying when people try to incorporate reality and proper physics into fantasy. It ruins so many objectives of fantasy. Fantasy was created so people wouldn't have to deal with reality, in my opinion. FullMetal Alchemist was dangerously close to being too realistic, but it miraculously turned out awesome. I believe this is going too far, though.


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I like to apply logic to what ever I can usually. Things that make no sense to me are just more confuddlement in the world. All aside, I try to make all of the supposed lore and beliefs of magic come together and merge on a scientific understanding. After all, I'm sure there are others out there that wish to finally see organization to the art of magic.

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Cool, looks good.

I can't wait for more information about this RP, I'll most likely join!
Well, umm it really isn't an RP. It's just an elemental explanation one could use in their own RP if they so choose.

Mod edit, killing double post.


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lol, my mistake... :oops:


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Hmm...this is...interesting. Although, the ideas behind this are quite well, and the structuring is definately founded, I will have to agree with DaPWNzor. To incorperate reality into fantasy pretty much destroys what a fantasy is about. Now...if there were a...I absolutely HATE to use this word...but if there were a sci-fi kind of RP here, this would definately have a place in it. It's well thought out and original. If anyone DOES use this however, I would like to know...purely because I would love to see how this is put into the story.


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Whoa...I've seen about 28 of these Physic/Elemental chart and this is the one most outstanding....I would support this theory...or whatever it is. :)


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I despise reviving old topics, but I've scrapped most of the original theory. This new one applies more to science than anything. One core element I forgot to apply is the force at which any power could be drawn from. Kataga. Kataga was the theoretical force of phycho-kinetic energy found within living things. It's known to many as life force, ether, mana, chi, and so forth. With out further delay, I present the Theoretical Element Chart of Kataga. ((The TECK))

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((Image edited for spelling errors))

This greatly simplifies magic and science as one. With this, you could literally think of any speel you may have seen, aside from holy and evil based spells and create them.

Technically, there are no such spells as ones of a hellish affinity. In truth, it's nothing more than negative energy conditions, similar to a black hole or dark matter, depending on the spell itself.

The creation of dark matter is the cause of alchemy, transforming a large amount of concentrated air molecules into it. After all, matter cannot be created, nor destroyed, only changed.

The creation of a minerature black hole requires much internal Kataga (iK) and the absorbtion of most of the area's external Kataga. (eK) This separation of energy into a reverse state of negative energy levels, causing a black hole to depress in the center of least resistance. This area is where there is so much negative force that a black hole erupts. This is matter trying to compensate the negative energy to neutralize or regain a positive flux, generally expelling matter in a distance determined by the level of negative energy. The matter is usually clustered into one point that's so dense, it will cause a mass reflux of matter, sending it everywhere as dust in the area of a sphere around the black hole. It goes so fast through other pieces of matter that it will go through it, leaving it unscathed. This is where the power of the black hole comes in, determining the distance the matter is expelled as mentioned earlier. Black holes are peraps the most dangerous forces possible to cause. In the end of the black hole, which is maintained by the creator, a great amount of energy is created and dispersed from the traveling matter that's expelled from the black hole. This is known as energy reflux compensation.

Now holy based spells are also different. They aren't nessecarily holy. Those types of powers are light based. Based off of a super powerful focused ray of white light. It hits no spectrum and is not scattered in power, so it focuses into a more stronger ray. Light based power applies to the workings of a prism as well.

All a holy based power ever has been is just burning light. Besides, if you all know, "holy" can be used even against good people. Holy and evil, being simply a euphemism or analagous term to refer to it's nature. In science and even magic, good and evil do not apply. Though spirituality can. ((e.g. Kataga, folks :) ))

Any questions? Possible miscalculatins or contradictions? I'd like to iron out any bugs left in the theory.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:42 pm 
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This is just questioning, but what sort of timeframe is this applied to, or is it even applied to one?

The idea and system is well thought out in multiple ways, but still not without flaws {(The major one for all of these ((especially my own *is another story*)) is confusion)} but when well planned, and properly thought out, they are very informative.

One thing I'd really like to discuss with you though is story potential, if I may that is.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:51 pm 
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is applicable to any story and or time frame. Everyone here is welcome to using my system for reference. You are welcome to create a story around this as well. I myself may do so sometime.

Your question, DuheRahn, is a good one. The application of conditions such as confusion, berzerk, sleep, and other mental based effects is purely mind based, requiring a higher level of iK. The effectiveness of it is determined whether of not one person's mind is more resistive to such influences.

Poison is entirely non-magic based and is caused by conventional methods though. curses and jinxes are also untrue. Purely based off superstition. Ones such as bad luck or clumbsiness is entirely based off of one's own mishaps. Unless of course, a telekinetic were to lay rest to muscles in the opposition's body, causing clumbsiness.


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You took the problem of confusion in a way that I must say is mistaken, but still quite helpful. But I'm not so much asking about the more recent table, as much as the older one.

But as you simply just stated, mentally binding things such as confusion ((cast as a spell, and not as something created simply by not paying full attention to detail while reading a complex elemental thesis)) are simply delt with in a way of mental power and/or prowess.

Though another simple thought that is much easier said then done: Have you thought of trying to effectivelly combine or at least parallel the two charts, making them coinside to eliminate gaps in information and to eliminate certain flaws?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:32 pm 
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The problem with the original one is that there are too many flaws in that system. It would cause many contradictions in the newer system. The necessity of a three-course element system is no longer necessary when you have the full wing of science to applicate to it. I doubt it would rid of flaws, but more so, create them.

Returning to the case you mentioned, there is no definite thing that mentioned confusion or any other effect in the previous chart either. That was completely missing from my original system and never worked out. I mistaken those types of conditions back then as jinxes and didn't realize there was a power that allowed incapacitations like that. To answer your question, the previous system was inapplicable to that entire part of magic and was thus, ignored from the previous system.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:59 pm 
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Ah, the previous system has flaws, but flaws can be fixed, and sometimes flaws can be exploited within a story/RP to create a twist or gnarl.
As well, the multiple systems upon themselves can be used in an interesting way, such as to describe the barriers of different planar locations, or plains for lamens terms. And to answer an afterthought you may have, I do have a story brewing already.

And the confusion I mean is not a thing implying use of the system, but instead of deciphering it, as the confusion I first found when I looked at it.
Such things can be manipulated though and quite usefully changed.


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Ahh yes, the system can be a bit confusing int it's simlistic appearances. Though it's vague, it does say what it means when refering to the connections that each element trait has. It may not be fully explained within itself, but since there's nothing that says you can't bend the rules with how you read it, that makes fairly much anything possible. You can root any different power just with using this. All you have to do is break down the power scientifically and network it through this system.


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Syntrifical? do you mean Centrifical? The illusion of outward acceleration caused by Neuton's first law in a rotating frame of reference?


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