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 Post subject: Trace's justification for Flora's life extension
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:27 pm 
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I'll be the first to say that there is such a thing as living too long though unnatural means. However, there is no crime in Trace wanting Flora (and thus other members of her race) live longer. Ironically, if Trace was to research this, it would be a first step in the long road of humans begrudgingly recognizing Flora's race as equals. True, this wouldn't do it alone, but seriously, it would be a step in the right direction.

And... I just can't see Trace wanting Flora to live longer as WRONG.

It's not wrong for Trace being able to share all his years with her.

And let's face fact: three thousand years ago, you were an old man, a relic of the past, if you somehow managed to live to thirty!!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:05 am 
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True the fact that him wanting her around longer isn't wrong.... but as the saying goes the path to hell is paved with good intentions

ever see Full Metal Alchemist?
if you haven't long story short 2 boys want to restore their lives to what they once were (get their bodies back) but to do that thousands and thousands of other lives have to be sacraficed.

but back on track Lady Nora did say that most of the people who tried to pursue this either went insane or died of old age /shrug who knows maybe he'll come up with something


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:48 am 
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casterclass wrote:
but back on track Lady Nora did say that most of the people who tried to pursue this either went insane or died of old age /shrug who knows maybe he'll come up with something


Actually Eric was the first to mention that wizards spent their entire lives without success as explained in this comic. http://twokinds.comicgenesis.com/d/20061227.html


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:18 pm 
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Just to quote Tom:
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There are some exceptional Keidran who can keep themselves alive for longer by magical means, but that's extremely rare.

- http://2kinds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6497
Strange you guys haven't mentioned that.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:17 pm 
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"to work around their mortality" THEIR mortality. In other words, those wizards were, of course, looking to cheat death for their OWN sake! They were likely all looking for ways to make THEMSELVES live FOREVER, NOT extend the lives of OTHERS.

That I belive is the key difference that everyone and their grandma is missing.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:17 pm 
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Of course, as it isn't explained well in Tom's topic, as to what 'dying of old age' actually means; It could mean that there is some odd spell/technology artificially acting on the entire Keidran race(Example: Stargate SG1, season 1, "[url=//stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Brief_Candle]Brief Candle[/url]"), it could mean that there is some organ which wears out quickly due to some environment issue, or it could be that their bodies simply are not regenerating enough, and so they die quickly.
I mean, even in humans, there is a definite -reason- for anyone dying of 'old age', and, with proper technology/magic, that problem can be fixed.

Of course, plot wise, for now at least, there most likely cannot be any way to extend Flora's life, to create the huge divide, and as a great problem for them to overcome - give Trace a great reason to leave her and go after another human.

At the end of the series however, it would be fine to find some way to do this.


As Tom has said, some Keidran can extend their own lives magically, and, in the case of Flora, Trace has enough raw energy to do pretty much anything.


Off topic now, but upon thinking that, I was wondering if it would be possible to use a magical device to drain dark mana, run it through a filter/inverter spell, and get pure light mana out of it. That way you wouldn't be limited by the natural mana of an area, and you could create an artificial mana farm, by growing plants, then draining the mana from them, and then using the left over dead plants for fertilizer.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:03 am 
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Everything dies at one point or another...Trace needs to accept this or else he's just wasting valuable moments researching his silly black magic...which proved futile the last go...

*sigh*

How many times must he bring himself to the point of oblivion before learning it's useless...


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:03 am 
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Since dark mana is the life energy of things, I wondered why Trace couldn't just return it and restore the things he took it from in the first place (summoned black dragon comic). Putting it back where it belonged should have been "cleansing" enough. Instead, it had to scorch his hand (and whatever else consequence absorbing "dark mana' will bring on.


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Wynni wrote:
Since dark mana is the life energy of things, I wondered why Trace couldn't just return it and restore the things he took it from in the first place (summoned black dragon comic). Putting it back where it belonged should have been "cleansing" enough. Instead, it had to scorch his hand (and whatever else consequence absorbing "dark mana' will bring on.

It is a powerful form of energy that can't be handled without dire consequence...it can't be put back...it shouldn't even ever be taken...but the mortals are silly beings...


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:24 am 
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The ground might have been 'scorched' enough that it could absorb the mana back.

Also, I'm all for Trace finding a way to extend Keidran life.


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Fatalcrash wrote:
The ground might have been 'scorched' enough that it could absorb the mana back.

Also, I'm all for Trace finding a way to extend Keidran life.

The ground, rather everything on and in it, died. The life was drawn from it...think Indiana Jones Covenant of Ark Style...hehe...

As Tom stated, Keidran probably would not be accepting to longer lives...they are content as they have been for however long they have existed...Trace would probably further harm the already sour relationship between humans and keidran by finding a method...or even attempting to...

...The plot thickens...or, perhaps, the soup :3...


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 Post subject: hmm
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:37 am 
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There is a difference between seeking long life, and immortality.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:52 pm 
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Hmmmm thinking about it.... try to follow me for a sec.

Black Magic kills life around it correct?
Trace summoned a dragon practically made of death.
he then absorbed part of that dragon and a portion of his hand died (assumingly.... black flesh = bad)
we have seen in recent comics that if you look that spot is still there...
perhaps finding his own cure will lead to something that can help Flora Natani Laura etc. live longer however long or short that may be?

dunno just a thought


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:02 pm 
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Extend your life; bah! Do what mages have always done to avoid death -- unlife! Life forever as liches, that's what Trace and Flora should do.

Seriously, I'm also in support Trace finding a way to extend Keidran lifetimes, but it looks like it's not simply a problem of applying enough magic. I don't like the idea of Trace having to mourn Flora in nine years or so, but every story has to have an end, and I suppose that's a fair enough one. Nine years of true happiness? That's not something to turn down.

Not a bad thought, casterclass, though I'm not sure where it'd be taken. We'll have to wait for things to settle down a bit more, maybe Trace'll find some note in his diary that'll put him on the right track.


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avwolf wrote:
Life forever as liches, that's what Trace and Flora should do.
I am Talonmaster Zso, and I approve of this message.


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