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 Post subject: Febuary 16th 2007 comic
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:25 am 
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woot, first post!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:50 am 
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Heh, cool, second post.

This is the comic to end all discussion of Natanis gender.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:30 am 
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"You do not know what they will do to you" does not bode well. Sounds like poor Natani may have had some more traumatic exeriances than the loss of one's parents :(


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:39 am 
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Ah, finally, some confirmation.

So a combination of gender confusion and lying to get into the 'military' too young.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:48 am 
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Nice one.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:54 am 
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Ugh...I thought Natani probably didn't have a rosy childhood, but I hadn't thought it would be that awful. :(

Orphaned, constantly starving, and 'you don't know what they'll do to you' - nobody should have to go through that. No matter what species they are.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:02 am 
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The flashback looked nice and gave us a view of Natani's childhood. It's always nice to see some character development. ... Rock on!!! \../ :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:15 am 
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Well, I think it's safe to bring the old theories back on the table. I always had a feeling the Brotherhood played a big part in her gender changes. She acts like a male even before her own brother.


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Maybe this will finally be enough... soups been a bit on the meaty side lately...


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:29 am 
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dam she look soo cute when she was child :oops:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:59 am 
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"You do not know what they will do to you" does not bode well. Sounds like poor Natani may have had some more traumatic exeriances than the loss of one's parents :(

We still dont know how she lost sight in her now-grey eye... it can happen from just being beaten really hard and taking a few blows to the side of the face, blows that you would otherwise survive (Seabiscuit, anyone?). I can just imagine such a scene upon her discovery... or during the brotherhood's 'training' and/or other missions. As for other theories... well, I dont want to use the R-word. Even though the gender-focused trauma would definitely be something to make her reject her gender all the more violently and also make her thoughts avoid turning to the past... call me silly for wanting to spare a character, but I hope that its something as (relatively) simple as the first theory, and not this second one.

I think one of the more powerful panels is meant to be the sixth one... showing nothing but the knife and the pieces of hair on the stump. Perhaps on one level it's childish extreme action... but it makes me wonder what we'd see if we had a comic devoted to Natani just sitting there on the stump, knife in one hand, fingering her hair with the other... what thoughts went through her head before gritting her teeth to do the deed.

And one other piece in this comice, about Zen... I can only imagine how he felt, going from saying "Youre my only sister, Natani. You're all I've got left, now" to hearing her say "I'm not your little sister anymore." We're focusing on how Natani innocently or not-so-innocently makes such a life-changing decision... but dont forget that in doing so, she killed the last of the family that Zen had... prior to whatever it was that destroyed their home.

Overall, this is a VERY good time to toss in a brief flashback that gets snapped back to the present at the end... not long enough for us to think there'll be more of it tomorrow, but enough to give us a LOT to think about.

-Auryn


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Auryn wrote:
I think one of the more powerful panels is meant to be the sixth one... showing nothing but the knife and the pieces of hair on the stump. Perhaps on one level it's childish extreme action... but it makes me wonder what we'd see if we had a comic devoted to Natani just sitting there on the stump, knife in one hand, fingering her hair with the other... what thoughts went through her head before gritting her teeth to do the deed.


And I notice that, in contrast with her earlier cutting off her hair so she could pass as a male, she now wears her hair very long. This looks like further evidence of a major battle going on inside her. Part of her wants to be considered male. But another part shows off her glorious hair. Not to mention her traitorous tail that wags when Keith calls her attractive. She wants to be both male and female at the same time.

Someone needs to just tell her "Look, you're a predator. You're not like those wimpy female humans. You can be feminine and a vicious killer at the same time. It's part of your nature. And Keith is a predator, too; he'll only respect you more if you're an attractive female assassin."

After all, if you look at predators in our world, you generally see that the females are at least as deadly as the males. The females need to kill for their children as well as themselves, after all. There are only a few species of predator in which the male sticks around to help raise the children. And in some of those (notably lions), the male is likely to stay home and play with the kids while mom goes out and kills their dinner.

The wolf keidran may have a social stigma to being female, but it's gotta be an anomaly for a predator. The natural state would be for "killer female" to be a very literal description, and would just add to the female's attractiveness to males.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:38 am 
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Auryn wrote:
We still dont know how she lost sight in her now-grey eye... it can happen from just being beaten really hard and taking a few blows to the side of the face, blows that you would otherwise survive (Seabiscuit, anyone?). I can just imagine such a scene upon her discovery... or during the brotherhood's 'training' and/or other missions. As for other theories... well, I dont want to use the R-word. Even though the gender-focused trauma would definitely be something to make her reject her gender all the more violently and also make her thoughts avoid turning to the past... call me silly for wanting to spare a character, but I hope that its something as (relatively) simple as the first theory, and not this second one.

I'm inclined to suggest magic gone awry. But at least this time we have some answers to questions instead of only more questions.

While I feel badly for her and Zen to have a childhood like that, I'm honestly not all that surprised. I doubt that there's a lot of provision to take care of orphaned children, even in a society that, theoretically, watches out for all its members. I'm actually quite impressed with Zen's character. He's trying to get them an honest (so-to-speak) living, and take care of his sister. I agree that Natani's decision had to be hard on him, especially since he was probably aware that assassin never get "happily ever after." In addition, this provides some hints as to why Natani can't bring herself to cut her hair now, even when it makes more work for her.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:03 pm 
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OK, this clearly illustrates that Natani has always been a girl, and has just decided that it's better for her to be a guy, because then she can stay with her brother longer.
Also, do we know that she's blind in her gray eye, or is it possible it's just a different color, but works perfectly fine?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:42 pm 
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Excellent...this is what I wanted. I was confused before...even with you all telling me Natani was never a guy. Zen kept calling Natani his brother...and it kind of messed me up...making me think Natani was a "he" when she was younger and was transformed later on into a girl. This will clear up any further confusion...Natani decided to "become" a guy. Thank you Tom. :)


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