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Sable Dove, or whatever buggering name shi's using, will refer to Natani with male pronouns sometimes too. Though, yeah, Verilidaine's probably one of our big name members who consistently uses the male pronoun for Natani. But you're also one of our few members who is very insistent on being clear about the difference between sex and gender, V.

I think that the pronoun use was more defensible before Natani's big reveal about the origin of the link, though. It really just emphasized that she's well aware that she's not actually male and it's just a trick of the mind. I don't know if it's simply Keith, or what, but I think the male side of her's quickly losing out. She keeps getting softer and softer, and she no longer is nearly so insistent to Keith that she's really a man. Maybe that's what love does to the insane. ;)

Is it sad that my biggest complaint about Verilidaine's theories are that Tom's denied the possiblity for Keith and Natani to have children (a thorn which constantly throbs in my side)? Mike's as likely to be the father...

Foiled! :x

I dunno, I think that the pronoun usage for Natani became more defensible after the revealing of the link. Before, theories were things like, "Natani had to pose as male to get into the Brotherhood, and then got confused and thought she was a guy after too long!" The link, however, is something permanent (man, now it's totally not going to be, just watch).

It's like, if you were born with all your limbs, and then lost both of your legs in a horrible water skiing accident, and then were a paraplegic (is that the correct use of "paraplegic?" I always get confused)...just because you know that you were born not being paraplegic doesn't make you so. I see the change in Natani's brain as something as physical as hair color...just a different arrangement and firing order of neurons, when it all comes down to it in the end.

I guess the pronouns just depend on whether one thinks they refer to sex or gender.

And Natani is a good assiassin....


We all like to dream

hell if Flora beats the living crap out of people that would be awesome but that's not going to happen that's not her job in this comic, so do what I do and draw a fan comic

I am surprised that no one has gotten into the subject the flora should not be fighting in the first place. It might cause a miscarriage if it gets to violent :P

Hear hear. It's also worth remembering, oh people who think that Keith is going to save the day with his awesome martial skills, that he pretty much barely beat a fairly low-level guard. He's not going to suddenly become some uber-tank and single-handedly destroy the Basitin army.

NOT at all to say that he and Natani won't get to do some good in a coming fracas... but she's only got a few mana stones herself.

It's not the what the link did that makes me wonder about pronoun usage. Looking only at that, yeah, it would make it very defensible. I dunno, I guess it's her language usage that bothers me. It feels very weak to me. Like there's still a shadow of doubt about how "irreversable" the effects were or how completely removed her old gender conception was. I imagine the doubt is largely as I've written it -- self-doubt and questions as to if she is the person she believes herself to be, thanks largely to her feelings for Keith. Before she was so insistent that she was really a guy, and now it seems like she's willing to admit that it's merely a part of her brother that flowed into her after she was mind wiped by an evil mage.

Ahh. I see what you're going at, now. I just went back and reread that entire sequence and you're right, the language is weak at points. The part I found the most compelling for your argument is how Natani refers to the male gender as being Zen's, rather than talking about it in a possessive way. The story itself focuses most on the change from male to female (which is why I suspect it was in the comic in the first place, of course) and the effects. Instead of it being a casual explanation as something that Natani has accepted in life and moved on from, it's very dramatic, which you wouldn't expect from a storytelling to Keith, because Keith has already seen Natani naked, and is fully aware of the current situation. There's nothing to lose in telling him, unless it's a story that is still somehow very personal and painful, as it would be if Natani is (and has always) had doubts about the entire thing.

*cracks her knuckles* See, I'm getting the hang of this again. Man but it's good to be back here, hope I can manage to stick around for a while ^^

keith will get chainsaw on fire and kill everyone >=D

I didn't say that. I'm calling Trace blowing up the tower or Basitin In-fighting between the Genernals but then again I, for one think, the Basitins are a military dictarorship that fews its female population as nothing more than solder making factories and send thousands of solders to thier death on mercenary campaigns, who are all druged up by the way.

Your theory sounds cool enough, but I contest your idea of female Basitins treated as merely soldier breeders. In this and this comic, you will notice that the female Basitin that Natani talks to is wearing armor and clothing extremely similar to the guard Keith fights. I don't know how you would treat your breeding stock, but usually people do not spend useful resources garbing them in armor similar to their own citizens. That is generally considered "a waste of money". In this comic, Keith states the reason for the separation of sexes based on breeding efficiency and organization. Though this seems a rationalization based on an underlying doctrine of female oppression, it can also be seen as a general population oppression. A sort of government eugenics plan, giving the leaders control over the offspring produced, shaping them to fit into the warrior mold. (Whoops, I seem to be supporting your point there.)

What I'm trying to get at is that although the Basitins have a suppressive, militaristic dictatorship focused on creating and maintaining a superior fighting force, I don't see evidence of them being sexist about it.

Also, just for the sake of it, can you point out where you saw evidence of Basitin warriors "drugged up"?

Lastly, because I'm a pedantic, nit-picking prick, I wanted to mention that FireFox has a wonderful built-in spellchecker.

Personally, i use the google toolbar spellchecker.

Google toolbar, pssh. :roll:

FF's is right there, all ready to go for you. It's awesome except for when it sucks.

Don't get me wrong. I have FireFox as well, but IE looks so....nice.

Anyways, back on subject. Ive noticed that there hasn't been much fighting in this comic , except for the occasional sword swing to the face. I mean, the fight with Neutral should have been epic, but i guess Tom wasn't as experienced in drawing back then as he is now? I hope any upcoming fights can be drawn properly and epically.